F1 without Ferrari?

[dans79]

But the thing is, you can't find just a backer, you need to find a backer who has both the money and expertise to develop a top notch F1 engine. Who's gonna do that?

Even if post 2021 engine rules are simplified by taking away MGU-H, you will have to catch up with Mercedes and Ferrari on the rest of the package. Why would you decide to drop hundreds of millions $/€ after seeing how badly Honda got humiliated.

Someone who thinks the cost is worth the publicity that it yields.

Do you think Merc or Ferrari is in F1 for any other reason than marketing/publicity?

They refuse to supply another top team with their engines. Sounds familiar?

This is purely A RBR problem. Even when they where dominating they either complained about Renault, or didn't give Renault the credit it deserved. RBR senior management apparently never learned that all actions have consequences.

[Just_a_fan]

You can make this sport very attractive as it was some years ago by just:
1)- allowing tires war: with two tires manufacturers, the cars will be able to follow each others;
2)- allowing refueling during races but with the maximum quantity that is currently specified;
3)- baning the use of the DRS.
Only with these three changes, you will have a great show and entertainment during F1 races.

Er, no, no and, oh, no.

Tyre wars don't necessarily make for a great show. The last time F1 had a tyre war, the FIA had to change the rules because Ferrari effectively a factory team for Bridgestone. It is inevitable that something similar would happen again.

Refuelling would just make the pit stop an even more important aspect of the race. Just as before, overtaking would be done in the pits using strategy. On track racing was no better in the days of refuelling than it is now. It would be no better today.

DRS gets around a problem that is inherent in the modern Formula 1 car. To ban DRS one needs either to accept that cars just won't overtake each other or one has to make wholesale changes to the very concept of a modern F1 car.

[Big Tea]

You can make this sport very attractive as it was some years ago by just:
1)- allowing tires war: with two tires manufacturers, the cars will be able to follow each others;
2)- allowing refueling during races but with the maximum quantity that is currently specified;
3)- baning the use of the DRS.
Only with these three changes, you will have a great show and entertainment during F1 races.

Er, no, no and, oh, no.

Tyre wars don't necessarily make for a great show. The last time F1 had a tyre war, the FIA had to change the rules because Ferrari effectively a factory team for Bridgestone. It is inevitable that something similar would happen again.

Refuelling would just make the pit stop an even more important aspect of the race. Just as before, overtaking would be done in the pits using strategy. On track racing was no better in the days of refuelling than it is now. It would be no better today.

DRS gets around a problem that is inherent in the modern Formula 1 car. To ban DRS one needs either to accept that cars just won't overtake each other or one has to make wholesale changes to the very concept of a modern F1 car.

To have a tyre war you need more than one team fighting. Last time it was Bridgstone pushing alone to some extent. Had another company been able to give a choice of 'steady' raged or wild it may have been different, but one was developing the other just supplying. Not saying Michelin could not compete, but they did not seem to want to enough.

[DK20]

F1 without Ferrari is totally fine. It might be even better. I prefer a fair and healthy formula 1 without ferrari than a unfair and unhealthy formula 1 with ferrari!

[Just_a_fan]

To have a tyre war you need more than one team fighting. Last time it was Bridgstone pushing alone to some extent. Had another company been able to give a choice of 'steady' raged or wild it may have been different, but one was developing the other just supplying. Not saying Michelin could not compete, but they did not seem to want to enough.

Last time it was Ferrari / Bridgestone against Everyone else / Michelin. That meant that Ferrari had bespoke tyres. Minardi were running Bridgestone but they got whatever they were given.

[LM10]

F1 without Ferrari is totally fine. It might be even better. I prefer a fair and healthy formula 1 without ferrari than a unfair and unhealthy formula 1 with ferrari!

Why do you think Ferrari makes F1 unhealthy and unfair?

[Just_a_fan]

Ferrari's veto is unhealthy, for a start. It's much more unhealthy than the engine formula hated by some today.

[adb]

But the thing is, you can't find just a backer, you need to find a backer who has both the money and expertise to develop a top notch F1 engine. Who's gonna do that?

Even if post 2021 engine rules are simplified by taking away MGU-H, you will have to catch up with Mercedes and Ferrari on the rest of the package. Why would you decide to drop hundreds of millions $/€ after seeing how badly Honda got humiliated.

Someone who thinks the cost is worth the publicity that it yields.

Ok, but just think about it, who may that be, realistically?
How many companies:
1. Can drop quarter-half billion $ without guaranteed success;
2. Have experience in building high performance engines;
3. Haven’t failed in F1 before;
And I guess there are few more issues

Also keep in mind, if you enter, you have to face Ferrari, which have been making engines for like, forever; Mercedes which came back (as engine supplier) over 20 years ago; Renault (almost 30 years since making an engine supplying comeback); also Honda (which is struggling but it goes to show how hard it is)

I’m not really saying that your idea is wrong, I just feel like it isn’t feasible and we should look for other solutions