2016 Red Bull Racing team - TAG Heuer

[ME4ME]

I think they will use Mobil1 fuel as much as they use a TAG-Heuer engine, if you see what I mean.

[f1316]

Right, well if that's the case, then cool.

But right now (we are at least told that) they are using total fuels and that total will come out with a new fuel to match Renault's PU updates/increase performance; if Renault continues using Total or, as the article suggests, move to castrol but RB have Mobil/Exxon all over their car, are Total/Castrol going to be happy supplying fuel to them?

What if RB are winning races with Total/Castrol fuel in their car but the winning car has a competitor's name plastered all over it? Are Total/Castrol going to be happy with that arrangement?

Seems more complicated than meets the eye and not an obvious thing to do, if you ask me.

[NL_Fer]

What if Renault asked Total to supply Redbull with a different spec anyway. Would'n they be better of with an own supplyer, dedicated to deliver no1 fuel?

[ME4ME]

Right, well if that's the case, then cool.

But right now (we are at least told that) they are using total fuels and that total will come out with a new fuel to match Renault's PU updates/increase performance; if Renault continues using Total or, as the article suggests, move to castrol but RB have Mobil/Exxon all over their car, are Total/Castrol going to be happy supplying fuel to them?

What if RB are winning races with Total/Castrol fuel in their car but the winning car has a competitor's name plastered all over it? Are Total/Castrol going to be happy with that arrangement?

Seems more complicated than meets the eye and not an obvious thing to do, if you ask me.

I fully agree, it's a somewhat weird solution. I guess the same goes for Williams and their PetroBras deal, which is purely a marketing excersise at the moment. If I recall correctly their technical partnership failed because the Mercedes PU wasn't optimized to PetroBras' fuel.

Wouldn't surpise me at all if once Red Bull are regular winners that Total will "leak" the fact that they were supplying fuel all along, and take credit for it.

[lio007]

Worth a read:

http://www.somersf1.co.uk/2016/10/the-t ... g.html?m=1

[lio007]

A very entertaining half of an hour:
https://twitter.com/redbullracing/statu ... 1905431552

[ME4ME]

Red Bull extends TAG Heuer naming partnership
http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/red-b ... ip-853877/

[Thunder]

Nothing new but now it's official: https://twitter.com/redbullracing/statu ... 5499902976

[Juzh]

Would be pretty stupid of red bull if this now means they'll be in a similar situation to what mclaren found themselves in back in 2014. Williams went with the smart way of sticking with the petronas liquids despite being sponsored by petrobras.

[Paul]

Unless they are obliged to actually use Mobil liquids, they are in a good position, able to compare products from two companies and choose the best one.

[ME4ME]

There were also rumours of Renault switching from Total to Castrol. If thats the case, Total will be leaving F1 all together and might be willing to sell their fuel formula. I expect that whatever fuel Renault choses to optimize their PU for, will be used by Red Bull and Toro Rosso as well.

I think this is as much a marketing partnership as it is a technical partnership, but it's fine if it brings in the cash. In the end it's yet another big sponsor that Red Bull has taken over from Mclaren.

[lio007]

Would be pretty stupid of red bull if this now means they'll be in a similar situation to what mclaren found themselves in back in 2014. Williams went with the smart way of sticking with the petronas liquids despite being sponsored by petrobras.

It is believed that RBR tried Mobil products for quite a while on their VTT with encouraging results.

[F1NAC]

Would be pretty stupid of red bull if this now means they'll be in a similar situation to what mclaren found themselves in back in 2014. Williams went with the smart way of sticking with the petronas liquids despite being sponsored by petrobras.

It is believed that RBR tried Mobil products for quite a while on their VTT with encouraging results.

wouldnt that be a bit silly? to outpreform manufacturer with different lubrication and fuel?

[lio007]

Would be pretty stupid of red bull if this now means they'll be in a similar situation to what mclaren found themselves in back in 2014. Williams went with the smart way of sticking with the petronas liquids despite being sponsored by petrobras.

It is believed that RBR tried Mobil products for quite a while on their VTT with encouraging results.

wouldnt that be a bit silly? to outpreform manufacturer with different lubrication and fuel?

Nobody said RBR will outperform Renault. As long as they match the TOTAL products I don't think it's a silly move from RBR.
On the other hand, IMO, we (outside the team) will never know the real performance difference between TOTAL and Mobil.

[PlatinumZealot]

Performance should be the same. You have an ideal fuel melocule.. You cant adulterate it too much with additives because there is a flow limit. So the trick is to choose a balance between hydrocarhon and additive. And also as much as possible try to makee each hydrocarbone chain an ideal designer chain.. Of whatever length that is i have I no clue.. But there is an ideal blance and you can bet that all the fuel manufacturers know it. Just a mater of who can synthesize it closest to the ideal.