Singapore Grand Prix 2010 - Marina Bay

[TheRMVR]

What about Rosberg then eh? Great stuff from him today, he seems to like every track.

I think that guy is just incredible. Not one bad lap, never any mistakes, clean, extremely fast and just so constant. I rate him a lot higher than Kubica,Vettel or Sutil. I think he is the biggest promise of the field right now. I've been saying this since 2006 though but people always seem to forget he has a dog as a car. He has almost as many points as Massa who is in a Ferrari!! If I were McLaren or Ferrari I would make sure he's with my team.

I have to agree, I don't understand the general lack of support for Nico, but driving aside, he is smart and was offered an Aerodynamics scholarship at Imperial College in London. No small feat.

I think that general lack of support is due to the fact that he is one of many Germans on the grid. He's not really a personality. He's not really keen on interviews either. But I will bet any money that if you put him in a Ferrari or RedBull he will win races just like that.

[zeph]

Rosberg never impressed me much, but there's no arguing that he is a consistent point-grabber and he's got the Schu all sown up in his back pocket.

I remember reading somewhere that McLaren wanted him, but Hamilton vetoed it?

[raymondu999]

I don't think Hamilton vetoed it, but that he was more keen to get Button in. But that's a topic for another thread

[andrew]

When Coulthard pointed this out on the BBC coverage he made the point that if the Fairy liquid type substance was still used when fitting the tyres over the wheels, the tyre would have definately come off the wheel. Webber sems to have been pretty luck to get away with this.

[andartop]

...and another penalty!

http://www.f1technical.net/news/15483

Massa moves up to 8th!

[ringo]

I don't think Hamilton vetoed it, but that he was more keen to get Button in. But that's a topic for another thread

No, Nico didn't want to race along Hamilton; no #1 driver does.

I also agree that Nico is a top driver, i always say this. He simply is not in the right car. 5 years is too long; this guy needs a winning a car.

About today's race. Good run by Alonso, as expected.
Vettel race ended when rbr pitted him at the same time as Alonso, his car was the faster one.
Sutil, Kubica, did well to collect some points.

Hamilton and Webber now...
Well all i have to say is that Webber had what you say "red mist" and forgot all about how to go through a turn properly. We seen this a couple times whenever he is overtaking another driver or in the process of being passed.
He could have braked much earlier. Had Hamilton's car not been there, he would have been over the kerbs and in the wall.
He clearly saw Lewis ahead and to the right of him, and he knew Lewis had only 1 way of going through that turn. He was not thinking.

All those saying Hamilton could have given more room, simply are not considering how it is in the cock pit looking out. He simply could not be concerned about Webber's positioning, he can't measure that or even see it.
Lewis did the exact same thing Kubica did, Kubica even more bullish than Hamilton. Sutil was the responsible one and avoided what would have been an accident.
Suitl and Webber both had a better point of view and were the ones to ensure a safe entry; you can't blame the guy ahead.

I would not penalize webber, but i blame him for not being disciplined enough to deal with being passed. I can't remember when was the last time Webber was overtaken, the man just doesn't allow it. If he is somehow passed, he never calms down and build for another opportunity; he goes ballistic and tries to regain position right away without considering he is risking his own race.

But then again, i partly blame Lewis. His pass was too amazingly raw and down right disrespectful to Webber. No way webber was going to be man handled like that. Lewis' flashy moves tick drivers off, being all competitive people, they're going to get ignorant if subjected to such moves.

[andartop]

Lewis said he had no clue where Webber was when going into the turn.
Webber said the incident was very similar to what happened in Monza between Lewis and Massa.
The stewards said it was a racing incident. They did not even investigate the incident in Monza.
Thing is, on both occasions Lewis lost out big time.
Lewis could have been more careful on both occasions: he was the attacking driver, and on both occasions there wasn't enough room for two cars.
I agree with those saying that's his style, and it has paid off well on many other instances.
However, when a driver's style is like this, he should be prepared to lose out as well.
I don't see why Webber should have done anything differently, seeing as he is fighting for a Championship. The result of today's race proved him right, since he went on and finished third.
If we applaud an aggressive attack, we should applaud an aggressive defence as well!

[zeph]

If we applaud an aggressive attack, we should applaud an aggressive defence as well!

Well said! =D>

[Richard]

If we applaud an aggressive attack, we should applaud an aggressive defence as well!

Well said! =D>

Well said x 2! =D>

Both divers could have backed off for a safety first approach, neither did. That's the sort of racing that made the Senna/Prost/Mansell years memorable. The sort of racing that was neutered and castrated by the Schumi years.

This is turning out to be a classic season.

[Sean H]

Massa keeps gaining spots and points even after the race is done.

[Miguel]

Massa keeps gaining spots and points even after the race is done.

Maybe he will end up winning the race, after all. Now all they need to do is handle Alonso and Vettel a 2m penalty and it's a done deal.

EDIT: Just wanted to add that, today, both Alonso and Vettel were supreme. Just as Kubica was. I hate this track, but the walls and low grip mix seem to allow the better drivers to rise even more significantly than Monaco. I can't stand them going for 2h for a misery 305 km.

Finally, regarding *the incident*, I'll just say that Mr. Hamilton has been twice unlucky. I mean, two more inches and he would have been third or fourth. Anyway, I've been supporting not-McLaren for the whole championship, even though Whitmarsh seems to be a good chap.

[ringo]

Lewis said he had no clue where Webber was when going into the turn.
Webber said the incident was very similar to what happened in Monza between Lewis and Massa.
The stewards said it was a racing incident. They did not even investigate the incident in Monza.
Thing is, on both occasions Lewis lost out big time.
Lewis could have been more careful on both occasions: he was the attacking driver, and on both occasions there wasn't enough room for two cars.
I agree with those saying that's his style, and it has paid off well on many other instances.
However, when a driver's style is like this, he should be prepared to lose out as well.

This is inaccurate, Lewis was the defending driver. Webber was passed completely.
Webber was now the attacker.
And why is it that everything involving Lewis, he is the one that should be more careful?
If he can't see Webber at all and Webber could see him, who has more responsibility?
Sutil took full responsibility, The rearward driver is always the one with more responsibility, he naturally has a wider field of vision and knows relative position of both cars.

I don't see why Webber should have done anything differently, seeing as he is fighting for a Championship. The result of today's race proved him right, since he went on and finished third.
If we applaud an aggressive attack, we should applaud an aggressive defence as well!

Webber could have done what sutil did, but Webber being webber will cause an accident, he's flustered easily. As i said, I can't remember anyone passing this guy this year, he doesn't allow it. He knows he has the best car and believes that if he's passed by a slower car then it looks bad on his part.

[donskar]

Outstanding drive by Alonso. Ferrari has again proven that they can develop a car with the best of them. Webber strangely ineffective. Now we have a really intersting battle for WDC. I hope engines (or lack of them) don't ruin it for Alonso.

Great to see Williams scoring.

Rosberg quietly goes about doing a very good job -- far more effective than Schu. I'm interested in seeing where Rosberg and Kubica end up in a year or two.

I will not enter another empty comment on Hamilton-Webber or Heki and the burning car.

Yes, a few of you did an excellent job padding your post totals, but the content of so many posts is easily summarized:

Webber was wrong.
No he wasn't
YES, he was
NO HE WASN'T
OK, you're right
NO I'm NOT
etc, etc ad nauseum

[horse]

The sort of racing that was neutered and castrated by the Schumi years.

Schumi never missed an opportunity to get up close and personal if it would do him a favour in the championship standings. Webber was interviewed on the BBC saying he would be "Ruthless", and ruthless he was here.

Kubica's fresh tire charge was great and reminiscent of Kobayashi's similar charge earlier in the season.

Hamilton was a tad quicker than Button on the day, which seems appropriate for a green street circuit, although good tire management closed the gap between them at the pit stops.

Neither were anywhere near the superior pace of the red bull or the Ferrari, and I suspect Hamilton would have struggled to maintain an undamaged Webber should he have passed successfully. Who knows?

Only criticism of today was that is was a bit boring at the front, with 1-2 following each other into the pit lane. Were they not willing to risk a DNF perhaps???

[Sean H]

Lewis said he had no clue where Webber was when going into the turn.
Webber said the incident was very similar to what happened in Monza between Lewis and Massa.
The stewards said it was a racing incident. They did not even investigate the incident in Monza.
Thing is, on both occasions Lewis lost out big time.
Lewis could have been more careful on both occasions: he was the attacking driver, and on both occasions there wasn't enough room for two cars.
I agree with those saying that's his style, and it has paid off well on many other instances.
However, when a driver's style is like this, he should be prepared to lose out as well.

This is inaccurate, Lewis was the defending driver. Webber was passed completely.
Webber was now the attacker.
And why is it that everything involving Lewis, he is the one that should be more careful?
If he can't see Webber at all and Webber could see him, who has more responsibility?
Sutil took full responsibility, The rearward driver is always the one with more responsibility, he naturally has a wider field of vision and knows relative position of both cars.

I don't see why Webber should have done anything differently, seeing as he is fighting for a Championship. The result of today's race proved him right, since he went on and finished third.
If we applaud an aggressive attack, we should applaud an aggressive defence as well!

Webber could have done what sutil did, but Webber being webber will cause an accident, he's flustered easily. As i said, I can't remember anyone passing this guy this year, he doesn't allow it. He knows he has the best car and believes that if he's passed by a slower car then it looks bad on his part.

I think both LH and MW were frustrated drivers and that was the main cause in the incident. LH was frustrated that Fred and Seb left him like he was tied to a tree. MW was equally frustrated being stuck in the pack with a car that his teammate had dominated all the FP's with. I think they both saw their WDC hopes sliding away and with both being stubborn drivers, were bound to no let the other get any advantage. MW got the dull end of the stick while LH got the sharp pointy end.


The funny part is all the lead up to the race was if Seb could handle the pressure. Turns out Fred and Seb put a mind game on the rest of the field, and if wasn't for two SC periods, they may have lapped the entire field.