2021 British Grand Prix - Silverstone, July 16 - 18

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Re: 2021 British Grand Prix - Silverstone, July 16 -18

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El Scorchio wrote:
18 Jul 2021, 16:24
That Red Bull is an absolute write off. You have to be so thankful of how safe the cars are.
Agreed. Happy to see Max walking away. He looked shaken up as you'd expect but good to see him able to get out on his own.
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hudnut
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Re: 2021 British Grand Prix - Silverstone, July 16 -18

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I think Chandok's explanation is perfect.

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proteus wrote:
18 Jul 2021, 16:24
dans79 wrote:
18 Jul 2021, 16:16
proteus wrote:
18 Jul 2021, 16:14


He was infront, he needed to make the corner. Should he drive off the track for Sir Lewis? Its not the first time Lewis did this manouver. Penalty should be given.
Lewis was alongside on the strait, that means Max has to leave room he can't just turn in on someone.
He was alongside and he hit his rear tyre.
Max hits Lewis’s front wheel and wing. That’s how far alongside Hamilton was.

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101FlyingDutchman wrote:
Mattyw wrote:
18 Jul 2021, 16:16
Max just needs to learn when to yield, they are always going to come together at some point but watch Ham from the start, leaves Max room everywhere.

Ham will still get a penalty though due to Championship implications.
What race are you watching?! Yielding when side by side. It’s racing!

Lewis is nowhere near an apex. He’s washing out and hits VER right rear wheel.
Yes… And Max closed in on the corner with a lot of room still on the outside… No fault from either driver on this one imho


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My last post on this because the lack of real racing experience and bias on here is appalling. That move alone will get you some sort of penalty in most race series.

Max put himself into that situation. By most rules, when he made the move right, he is suppose to stay there or creep back left. Instead he pushes Lewis right, swings left, and then dives into the apex.

With them both having a hand in it, it’s a racing incident.

Lewis also has some blame, it’s a high risk pass, Max has shown before to be aggressive (see Imola this year) , and it’s an aero dependent corner which being the following car is always going to make grip questionable.
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Xero wrote:
18 Jul 2021, 16:25
Racing incident all day long. Hamilton earned some space, and both drivers didn't give each other enough. Watched it loads of times now, Lewis missed the apex, Max turned towards the apex. Both to blame.
You can see on the sky pad that VER gave HAM room by reducing the steering angle. He absolutely gave HAM space as he knew he was there. Except HAM did nothing with the extra space and kept it tight with VER. To me it’s deliberately placing a car in a place on track to cause a collision.

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foxmulder_ms wrote:
18 Jul 2021, 16:24
godlameroso wrote:
18 Jul 2021, 16:22
If Hamilton doesn't get punished for the pit maneuver it sets a dangerous precedent for future incidents, it needs to be settled here and now. Dangerous driving has no place in this sport.
Max should get a race ban. Defending outside the circuit boundaries AND weaving too much AND literally turning into Ham.
Weaving? What race are you watching. Max left plenty of room here. I'm on the side of a racing incident, but I'm not too thrilled about lewis' trying to shove blame to max on the radio.

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To me, most likely a racing incident. I find it unlikely they punish the Sir in the land of his birth.

If there is any culpability, it rests with Hamilton though. He wasn't optimally positioned to make that move.

Either way, it is rather unusual to see Hamilton involved in any form of racing contact. This felt a bit desperate, almost clumsy.

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Juzh wrote:
18 Jul 2021, 16:25
Third time in not so long space of time hamilton punts off a driver by hitting his rear wheel when he was beaten to a corner. Now a big penalty must be issued to prevent him from pulling same stunts in the future. 3rd TIME!!!
Nothing less than a race ban.
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I'd love to see what diagram Mercedes have showing a rule break.

Maybe a penalty for Max here.

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Good luck moderators!

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Toto sending emails lol,

It was a racing incident. Imo

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Let's all cool down.
We should not base on facts and not only basing ourselves based on the crashed.

Max knew Hamilton was in his slipstream and might have gone for it.
The main difference here is that both Max and Ham are not hitting the breaks so to say there is a clear person in fault is difficult

The remark from Horner as rather strange. Does he say that in one corners you are never entitled to even trie.
If this is the case then its best that they mention this to all the drivers as apparently not all of them know this but also not us as viewers.

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hudnut wrote:
18 Jul 2021, 16:27
I think Chandok's explanation is perfect.
And Brundle’s comment that Max straightened Hamilton’s steering when Max hit him.

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dans79 wrote:
18 Jul 2021, 16:23
sosic2121 wrote:
18 Jul 2021, 16:21
dans79 wrote:
18 Jul 2021, 16:16


Lewis was alongside on the strait, that means Max has to leave room he can't just turn in on someone.
Was he going towards apex or was he wide?
It's an honest question.
Are you asking about max, or lewis?
Lewis.
IMO If he was going for apex - no penalty. If he wasn't then penalty. After the contact he went really wide, but I don't know if that was his "planned" line, or consequence of the contact.