2019 Italian Grand Prix - Monza, Sep 06 - 08

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I am noticing they stopped showing the blocking clip, only the before and after. Odd.

I'd like to see an overhead of it. So far the only angle shown has been Hamilton's onboard from what I've seen.

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At least this will set more of a precedent in the future for less crying. It’ll just be a slap on the wrist for everyone all day! Yeah right

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Leclerc has more points than Vettel now.

Today's result, especially the way it happened (Leclerc - brilliant; Vettel - not so much), and where it happened, could very well signify the changing of the guard at Ferrari.

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Hamilton's requests shows Mercedes was not ready to give full power to him as they still seem to be very concerned about the PU situation.

Bottas, what a disappointment. Despite having much fresher tyres and his team mate having moved out of the way, wasn't close to doing anything that Hamilton was doing with old shot tyres.

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siskue2005 wrote:
08 Sep 2019, 17:14
atanatizante wrote:
08 Sep 2019, 17:13
Do you think guys that Lewis did throw away his only chance in this race when he moved to the left of Charles too early instead of wait until arriving at the braking zone and then dive bomb into the inside?
he was too close to not move to one side, but there was no use coz Leclerc kept on moving 3 to 4 times! so no use
The stewards/FIA have made a rod for their own back here by insisting on what constitutes foul and fair with regard to defending a position, and then not really following it up with any punishment (at least with any consistency) if someone is in breach- moving more than once, allowing space, taking to run off areas etc.

This feels largely to do with the new-ish 'Verstappen style' of defending so there's a situation where the driver in front probably crosses a line (pardon the pun given yesterday's debate) in some way, which will obviously cause the driver behind to point it out on radio, and then nothing happens. Then more drivers will realise they can chance their arm and get away with it. Although it seems to largely depend on what car they are driving, what race it is, what the stewards had for breakfast, what side the coin they flip comes down on etc.

At least it gets people talking if nothing else.
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Fulcrum wrote:
08 Sep 2019, 17:26
Leclerc has more points than Vettel now.

Today's result, especially the way it happened (Leclerc - brilliant; Vettel - not so much), and where it happened, could very well signify the changing of the guard at Ferrari.
This does present an issue for Ferrari. They started the season stating that they were backing Vettel and team orders would be used etc. They will either have to now publicly rescind that position or at least quietly go back on it and support Leclerc, especially if he betters Vettel again in Singapore. I don't see Vettel being very motivated from here on this season if Leclerc does manage to beat him again next race.
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Just_a_fan wrote:
08 Sep 2019, 17:35
Fulcrum wrote:
08 Sep 2019, 17:26
Leclerc has more points than Vettel now.

Today's result, especially the way it happened (Leclerc - brilliant; Vettel - not so much), and where it happened, could very well signify the changing of the guard at Ferrari.
This does present an issue for Ferrari. They started the season stating that they were backing Vettel and team orders would be used etc. They will either have to now publicly rescind that position or at least quietly go back on it and support Leclerc, especially if he betters Vettel again in Singapore. I don't see Vettel being very motivated from here on this season if Leclerc does manage to beat him again next race.
What can Ferrari do? Vettel himself is to be blamed...once in Bahrain spinning and damaging his race..then in Canada making a mistake and losing the win...here spinning again without any challenge....we all get sacked for our errors at work then why not Vettel...he deserves to be sacked for lack of performance...

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Ferrari will just let them run and maximize their chances for the best possible team result. Both championships are more or less out of reach anyway. Hamilton is one point shy of being 4 race wins ahead with 7 races remaining....
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Bottas' try really makes you appreciate Hamilton. He was literally stuck behind Leclerc, without a single mistake. Ham's pressure is relentless, Leclerc is the next guy who can't stand it and cracks (after Rosberg and Vettel).

I still think that Bottas isn't good enough for a nr 2 driver. I mean he is solid, but if that was a fight for the championship between Ham and Lec, he would be of no use.

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Just_a_fan wrote:
08 Sep 2019, 17:35
This does present an issue for Ferrari. They started the season stating that they were backing Vettel and team orders would be used etc. They will either have to now publicly rescind that position or at least quietly go back on it and support Leclerc, especially if he betters Vettel again in Singapore. I don't see Vettel being very motivated from here on this season if Leclerc does manage to beat him again next race.
I don't think this is such a huge problem any more. If this would have happend at the start of the season, then yes. But the titles are gone now, Merc will win both, so why should Ferrari still bother with teamorder to much? There's hardly anything to gain anymore by doing it.
I would simply let them Race and just tell them not to drive into each others car or to interfere each other if they're on different strategies.

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izzy wrote:
MtthsMlw wrote:
08 Sep 2019, 16:15
I thought the black and white was for running wide in the parabolica?
the black and white was for putting Lewis off track into T4, then on a later lap he was moving a lot round Curva Grande, hence the quiet word presumably. it's a pity the stewards have educated him to this way of driving.
stewards have educated everybody when they were lenient with Max Verstapen dancing on the breaking line. And if you see the interviews and the tap on the helmet from HAM to LEC ... probably you nee complaining more then the drivers that are actually racing on the track. Is absolutely normal that in the heat of the moment they complaint

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Congrats to Leclerc; too dirty for a prefect score but a good day nonetheless.

Lol @ the numerous repots of Honda & Verstappen mounting a challenge after the Summer break. They’re not ready this year - they won’t be ready next year. Questions remain over driver and PU it seems
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Bottas confirmed today what a lot of us already knew. The Finnish driver is consistant and makes no mistakes but isnt Championship material. Wondering what Ocon would have done in Bottas position today. ?

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I have to say, one of the things that impressed me most about Hamilton this weekend is his immaculate car control. First in qualifying when he avoided a crash with Hulkenberg and this race, when he was pushed onto the grass. I’m amazed they/he didnt crash.
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Bill_Kar wrote:
08 Sep 2019, 17:46
Bottas' try really makes you appreciate Hamilton. He was literally stuck behind Leclerc, without a single mistake. Ham's pressure is relentless, Leclerc is the next guy who can't stand it and cracks (after Rosberg and Vettel).

I still think that Bottas isn't good enough for a nr 2 driver. I mean he is solid, but if that was a fight for the championship between Ham and Lec, he would be of no use.
Bottas is just useless. And Hamilton isn’t some sort of god that descended from the heavens. He started the race second and finished third.

And I’m not even saying he just gave up when he missed his brake marker at turn 1.

Its quite clear that:
a) vettel should really retire
b) bottas should up his game or go somewhere else

But to say Leclerc cracks under pressure is too much too soon, considering he is quite new to these cat chases mouse game of today’s, and considering he won the race after all.