turns out those red bull insiders were closer to the truth afterall
Daniel has pleasantly surprised me, not so much in quali thus far but in the race.
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No they havent! Vettel has already had a third place, and then has been driving a car with pu problems and a cracked chassis. Far too early to compare the two drivers!JawsIX wrote:Just having a read of this old thread....i think it is fair to say a lot of people have been proved very wrong.
Do you have a source for this cracked chassis claim? Other than the story about Marko 'suspecting' he might have a cracked chassis. I don't take anything Marko says too seriously.gilgen wrote:No they havent! Vettel has already had a third place, and then has been driving a car with pu problems and a cracked chassis. Far too early to compare the two drivers!JawsIX wrote:Just having a read of this old thread....i think it is fair to say a lot of people have been proved very wrong.
Vettel (to his credit) has came out and said Riccardio is simply doing a better job - I don't think we need to entertain any rumours after we have had that from the horses mouth.Waywardism wrote:Do you have a source for this cracked chassis claim? Other than the story about Marko 'suspecting' he might have a cracked chassis. I don't take anything Marko says too seriously.gilgen wrote:No they havent! Vettel has already had a third place, and then has been driving a car with pu problems and a cracked chassis. Far too early to compare the two drivers!JawsIX wrote:Just having a read of this old thread....i think it is fair to say a lot of people have been proved very wrong.
I don't remember Vettel having any such PU problems in China, nor in Bahrain other than his complaint over the radio about downshifting - which seemed to be untrue when analysed afterwards by Anthony Davidson.
Ricciardo already has a DSQ 2nd place. Of the 2 races they've both finished Ricciardo has beaten him in both, and he's 3-1 in qualy.
Yes, so far a lot of people were wrong to assume Vettel would easily wipe the floor with Ricciardo.
I would qualify this. Lewis is #4 on the pole list, Seb #3. Considering the dominance of Red Bull the last few seasons, I think Lewis has outperformed his car, Seb matched or failed to match the performance of his car. Put another way, Lewis has a higher pole/start percentage than Schumi. He out qualified Alonzo in the same car in 2007, being a rookie to boot. Remember, in 2011, the only non-Red Bull on pole was Lewis. I don't think he has the ability to pull out that clutch golden lap that is seemingly faster than what seems possible like Schumi could do, but he's the best qualifier in the field right now, hands down.raymondu999 wrote:Mercedes is a bit in the middle-ish.
=D> Yay! I know my sources were solid! Christian Horner hinted at this in an Interview after the tests last year.n smikle wrote:Ricciardo was only a tenth of Vettel in the Silverstone tests and that is why he was deemed as "very quick" and "competitive" with Vettel. I think Ricciardo will surprise us, matching Vettel most races and bettering him in a handful.
=D>JimClarkFan wrote:Not what I have readLionKing wrote:He was "actually" 3 tenths slower
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/23960315
But I see others are saying different
He did not go into detail, but privately Red Bull insiders have. This writer has been briefed that in a car of comparative specification - same fuel load, tyres, etc - and in similar conditions (albeit on a different day), Ricciardo was 0.2 seconds faster than Vettel at that test.
It seems fair to assume that Red Bull do not expect that to happen when they are team-mates next year - not unless they want to provoke some sort of meltdown inside the team. And the evidence of the last few years is that they do not.
Vettel, Horner says, "wants competition, wants someone to push him". What he and the team clearly do not want - judging by the history of the German's relationship with Webber over the past few years - is someone to beat him
Remember, Ricciardo was the official Red Bull test and reserve driver in 2010. He's known the team, the systems, the simulator, everything... for years, before he got a serious race seat. The team would have ample evidence of his capability and his ability as a 'team player'. I'd suggest the Red Bull team have known for some time how good he is.Marko in 2011 wrote:"He (Raikkonen) will not drive at Red Bull,” Marko told German media. “The rumors are far-fetched and total nonsense." "We have our juniors,” he added. “One of which will replace Mark Webber at Red Bull when he's ready."
The really worrying thing for Vettel is, Red Bull know Ricciardo is still 'learning' - they're still developing him. That is what should be keeping Vettel up at night.Horner 2013 wrote:"He's a very talented youngster, he's committed, he's got a great attitude and in the end it was a very logical choice for us to choose. "He's got all the attributes that are required to drive for our team: he's got a great natural ability, he's a good personality and a great guy to work with. "Daniel knows what the team expects from him; he'll learn quickly and it's very much a medium-to-long term view that we're taking in developing him."
I'm not comparing the two drivers (yet), I am responding to those who were claiming last year that Vettel would wipe the floor with Ricciardo this year, the 20-0 prediction, the 3-0 start etc etc that appear higher in this thread.gilgen wrote:No they havent! Vettel has already had a third place, and then has been driving a car with pu problems and a cracked chassis. Far too early to compare the two drivers!JawsIX wrote:Just having a read of this old thread....i think it is fair to say a lot of people have been proved very wrong.
Sorry WB I had to.WhiteBlue wrote:Ricciardo will not trouble Vettel. He has still a lot to learn. Just speed isn't enough to lead a championship winning team. Vettel has tremendous speed and gets better with every year. So I do not see him being under threat from Ricciardo.
Driving a car with a cracked chassis? The "new chassis" trick is all about driver confidence. I don't believe Red Bull had the wunderkind running around in a cracked chassis.gilgen wrote:No they havent! Vettel has already had a third place, and then has been driving a car with pu problems and a cracked chassis. Far too early to compare the two drivers!JawsIX wrote:Just having a read of this old thread....i think it is fair to say a lot of people have been proved very wrong.
Pierce89 wrote:Driving a car with a cracked chassis? The "new chassis" trick is all about driver confidence. I don't believe Red Bull had the wunderkind running around in a cracked chassis.
Nov 2013 wrote:Lewis Hamilton will have a new chassis for the United States Grand Prix, after Mercedes found two large cracks in his car during preparations for the Austin Formula 1 race. Mercedes had been baffled as to why Hamilton's form in recent races - and especially at the Abu Dhabi GP - had not been as strong as team-mate Nico Rosberg's.
May 2010 wrote:The German complained about a lack of confidence in the car he had used in Monaco, and post-race analysis by the team uncovered a crack in the tub that could not be fixed in time.
It seems Vettel is not the only driver to suffer performance issues due to a chassis issue. Maybe, just maybe, the chassis does have an issue and maybe, just maybe, the drivers are good enough to 'sense' or 'feel' that. Simply writing a driver off because you believe he is making excuses - based on previous evidence - seems a little harsh.June 2010 wrote:Vitantonio Liuzzi is to change chassis for this weekend's Canadian Grand Prix as he bids to get on top of the qualifying troubles that have marred his recent performances. Liuzzi has struggled to find a good set-up on his VJM03 in the last few races and, with the team having found some damage on the chassis he used since Spain, he is to revert to the one he used in the first four races.
