2022 Alpine F1 Team

[AR3-GP]

Duchessa just confirmed they intend to up the power by 10hp for PU2 if Imola reliability proves good.

Think you're taking that article out of context. He just threw the 10hp number out there as a number and was just trying to say that the PU is good enough to win.

Think the PU is locked down. They can't physically change anything except the CE and the MGU-K. The MGU-K has been locked down from the beginning with regards to how much power it can deliver, so only efficiency increases are available. The CE is Control Electronics.

They can make software changes.

People don't understand that 10 HP on car where everything is the same at the speed trap of a track like Jeddah Cornichie Circuit might mean a difference between 321 to 321.1 KPH. While a change of 1% of the rear wing might make 5 KPH difference. So much more time is made up by actually getting the power to the ground sooner or being able to handle higher speeds in corners that adding HP.

What's making Ferrari so strong isn't thier PU, it's that, right now, thier downforce levels are off the charts compared to anyone else.

You think it's possible they're holding back some performance via engine modes due to the reliability concerns and once they're able to sure that up, could start running riskier power modes? Or they're already maxed out?

Intersting point about the downforce however when you see all Ferrari powered teams take a massive step in one winter, you have to suspect PU performance has a bit to do with it as well. Maybe they 'shared' some aero philosophies too.

Also, the fact that Haas and Alpha seemed more competitive on a power track like Jeddah viz a vis Australia also points to a similar direction. Miami will be a good tell.

I don't think Viry has maxed out the potential from the PU. From some of the earlier post, Viry is still doing mapping optimization of the fuel, turbo, and ignition. This could provide gains not only in peak power, but also in a broader powerband.

[diffuser]

Think you're taking that article out of context. He just threw the 10hp number out there as a number and was just trying to say that the PU is good enough to win.

Think the PU is locked down. They can't physically change anything except the CE and the MGU-K. The MGU-K has been locked down from the beginning with regards to how much power it can deliver, so only efficiency increases are available. The CE is Control Electronics.

They can make software changes.

People don't understand that 10 HP on car where everything is the same at the speed trap of a track like Jeddah Cornichie Circuit might mean a difference between 321 to 321.1 KPH. While a change of 1% of the rear wing might make 5 KPH difference. So much more time is made up by actually getting the power to the ground sooner or being able to handle higher speeds in corners that adding HP.

What's making Ferrari so strong isn't thier PU, it's that, right now, thier downforce levels are off the charts compared to anyone else.

You think it's possible they're holding back some performance via engine modes due to the reliability concerns and once they're able to sure that up, could start running riskier power modes? Or they're already maxed out?

Intersting point about the downforce however when you see all Ferrari powered teams take a massive step in one winter, you have to suspect PU performance has a bit to do with it as well. Maybe they 'shared' some aero philosophies too.

Also, the fact that Haas and Alpha seemed more competitive on a power track like Jeddah viz a vis Australia also points to a similar direction. Miami will be a good tell.

I don't think Viry has maxed out the potential from the PU. From some of the earlier post, Viry is still doing mapping optimization of the fuel, turbo, and ignition. This could provide gains not only in peak power, but also in a broader powerband.

I don't see how we prove the PU power question. There isn't a way to tell that we have access to. Even the GPS traces have alot of Question marks.

[Kamel]

Very interesting week shaping up with Alpine allegedly bringing a major floor upgrade that they are REALLY excited about and nobody else seems to be bringing anything. Couple that with Alonso looking very close to a setup break through. Hopefully we can keep the reliability at bay.

I am intrigued, but it will be difficult to know if tire deg is improved due to rains in Imola

[continuum16]

Very interesting week shaping up with Alpine allegedly bringing a major floor upgrade that they are REALLY excited about and nobody else seems to be bringing anything. Couple that with Alonso looking very close to a setup break through. Hopefully we can keep the reliability at bay.

I am intrigued, but it will be difficult to know if tire deg is improved due to rains in Imola

Forecast looks like Saturday should be clear, maybe the sprint will provide some clarity? As far as significant updates are concerned, the only other team I've heard is AlphaTauri, who are coming from further behind. Will be interesting to see if the setup gains from Melbourne are track-dependent or not. IIRC they had a setup breakthrough in 2020 at the back-to-back Silverstone races which seemed to continue for the following races.

[diffuser]

Very interesting week shaping up with Alpine allegedly bringing a major floor upgrade that they are REALLY excited about and nobody else seems to be bringing anything. Couple that with Alonso looking very close to a setup break through. Hopefully we can keep the reliability at bay.

I am intrigued, but it will be difficult to know if tire deg is improved due to rains in Imola

Forecast looks like Saturday should be clear, maybe the sprint will provide some clarity? As far as significant updates are concerned, the only other team I've heard is AlphaTauri, who are coming from further behind. Will be interesting to see if the setup gains from Melbourne are track-dependent or not. IIRC they had a setup breakthrough in 2020 at the back-to-back Silverstone races which seemed to continue for the following races.

It also looks like qualifying on Friday at 5pm Local time has a chance of being in the dry or drying out.

As you said, Dry Saturday for Free Practice and Sprint.


Sunday looks like < 30% chance of rain after 3pm Local. So the race maybe dry.


We'll how it plays out though as this can all change.


Definitely gonna be hard to get the setup right in the rain. Also the cars go into "parc fermer" after qualifying. So you have a FP on Saturday morning but you can't change anything more than you can during qualifying or after it. Think that should be changed. On Sprint weekends the cars should only be put into pf at the beginning of Sprint. Track testing time is so limited, they need every minute.

[continuum16]

I am intrigued, but it will be difficult to know if tire deg is improved due to rains in Imola

Forecast looks like Saturday should be clear, maybe the sprint will provide some clarity? As far as significant updates are concerned, the only other team I've heard is AlphaTauri, who are coming from further behind. Will be interesting to see if the setup gains from Melbourne are track-dependent or not. IIRC they had a setup breakthrough in 2020 at the back-to-back Silverstone races which seemed to continue for the following races.

It also looks like qualifying on Friday at 5pm Local time has a chance of being in the dry or drying out.

As you said, Dry Saturday for Free Practice and Sprint.


Sunday looks like < 30% chance of rain after 3pm Local. So the race maybe dry.


We'll how it plays out though as this can all change.


Definitely gonna be hard to get the setup right in the rain. Also the cars go into "parc fermer" after qualifying. So you have a FP on Saturday morning but you can't change anything more than you can during qualifying or after it. Think that should be changed. On Sprint weekends the cars should only be put into pf at the beginning of Sprint. Track testing time is so limited, they need every minute.

I understand why the cars are in parc ferme after qualifying, so teams can't take a radically different setup between quali and race, but I agree that for Sprint it should at least be after Saturday FP. One practice session is not enough time to get a reasonable setup, especially if there is crazy track evolution or weather. At least on normal weekends you have FP1 and FP2 to test different setups.

[Alonso Fan]

'Alpine’s chief technical officer Pay Fry says the team needs to bring its race pace up to the same level as its qualifying form.
“Clearly our qualifying performance is relatively competitive since we’ve had both cars regularly in Q3,” said Fry. “Had we got things right in Melbourne, we could have been as high as the second row.

“We need to improve our race pace and we’re investigating what can be done. There’s always the right balance to be found between qualifying pace and race pace and we need to continue to work on this to get comfortable with the car on low and high fuel.”

The team will have an upgrade for its A522 chassis at the fourth race of the season this weekend. “We’re working through bringing weight-saving items to the car when and where we can,” he said.

“Although it’s a sprint race weekend we still have a new floor upgrade that we will test, so we’ll see how that fares in the sole Friday practice session. It’s a step in the right direction and it will be interesting to see how it performs on-track.” '

Via Racefans

Seems to me they might only run the new floor for evaluation purposes in fp1

[diffuser]

'Alpine’s chief technical officer Pay Fry says the team needs to bring its race pace up to the same level as its qualifying form.
“Clearly our qualifying performance is relatively competitive since we’ve had both cars regularly in Q3,” said Fry. “Had we got things right in Melbourne, we could have been as high as the second row.

“We need to improve our race pace and we’re investigating what can be done. There’s always the right balance to be found between qualifying pace and race pace and we need to continue to work on this to get comfortable with the car on low and high fuel.”

The team will have an upgrade for its A522 chassis at the fourth race of the season this weekend. “We’re working through bringing weight-saving items to the car when and where we can,” he said.

“Although it’s a sprint race weekend we still have a new floor upgrade that we will test, so we’ll see how that fares in the sole Friday practice session. It’s a step in the right direction and it will be interesting to see how it performs on-track.” '

Via Racefans

Seems to me they might only run the new floor for evaluation purposes in fp1

I don't see how in a 1hr FP, they get the test floor off, put the reg floor back on and setup the car for quali.

[The Prodigy]

What happened to Ocon in Q1?

[Alonso Fan]

What happened to Ocon in Q1?

Gearbox

[Alonso Fan]

I missed the last few mins of the session. How fast was everyone's last runs going before the last red flag?

[lh13]

I missed the last few mins of the session. How fast was everyone's last runs going before the last red flag?

Nobody got to complete a lap. Lando spun on the outlap.

[JordanMugen]

What happened to Ocon in Q1?

Gearbox

Shame, could have been up there.

Maybe the ghost of Otmar's past should make a visit to the present Otmar to remind him what a hypocrite he is. Not only copying the concept costs money, which Haas clearly doesn't have and hasn't copied, but a lot of the concept is inherent in the packaging of the parts that you buy. What he's seeing is the salt of having a very competitive Ferrari engine. What a pathetic little person he is.

Bit harsh! The Alpine is a solid midfield car, even if Otmar only joined this season and was not involved in decisions regarding the design process.

[dialtone]

What happened to Ocon in Q1?

Gearbox

Shame, could have been up there.

Maybe the ghost of Otmar's past should make a visit to the present Otmar to remind him what a hypocrite he is. Not only copying the concept costs money, which Haas clearly doesn't have and hasn't copied, but a lot of the concept is inherent in the packaging of the parts that you buy. What he's seeing is the salt of having a very competitive Ferrari engine. What a pathetic little person he is.

Bit harsh! The Alpine is a solid midfield car, even if Otmar only joined this season and was not involved in decisions regarding the design process.

Harsh perhaps, but the Haas isn't even similar to the Ferrari aero-wise, and if he has a competitive car he should just compete it out and win it on track.

edit: It doesn't even make sense as the cars are different concepts and parts from one wouldn't work the same on the other... He didn't even complain about anything specific, just a vague statement of collaboration beyond the rules just to get the FIA to do a double check, because they already check as they receive the blueprints of each car during design.

[Mansell89]

Did Alonso keep the new floor for quali?