2021 Emilia Romagna Grand Prix - Imola, Apr 16 - 18

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grubschumi13 wrote:
18 Apr 2021, 17:38
To be fair I think Russell was to blame for that crash. Certainly Bottas did not do anything wrong. Surely Russell should have conceded that position. It was a Mercedes he was racing after all.
Russell was the one overtaking the Mercedes. :?:

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I also think the reason the "unlapping rule" exists is to not hinder other drivers.

If they didn't unlap them they would restart in the order they entered the pits for the red flag period. That would mean you have the potential for multiple cars in between cars further up the grid who are fighting for position, and thus unduly hindering the following cars at the restart.
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pantherxxx wrote:
18 Apr 2021, 18:26
dxpetrov wrote:
18 Apr 2021, 17:57
Again, cannot fkn believe how much luck this guy gets in his life.... There is no end to it! No DNF since 2018.
He's the luckiest driver in the history of any sport, but certainly not the best. Because there's a guy called Max Verstappen who is bloody quick and skilled.
You have -3 next to your name move along troll. You and dxpetrov are so mad right now its hilarious just get help as I keep telling all you haters, Lewis winning those 7 championships really did a number on you lot :lol:

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dans79 wrote:
18 Apr 2021, 18:43
DChemTech wrote:
18 Apr 2021, 18:32
El Scorchio wrote:
18 Apr 2021, 18:23
But what objection could you have with the rules today? It’s just the procedure.
I think the question "should a driver that has been off the track for over a minute, and fell a lap behind, be able to end second due to being lucky with a naturalization?" Is a fair question, even of such occasions are rare. I actually dont have a strong preference for one of the other; there are arguments for and against the rules as they are now. But i think we should be able to discuss those issues, and hence discuss whether the procedures should change in that respect, without immediately being accussed of just being salty for seeing amother driver being advantaged.
The bold part is why I think people are questioning objectivity.

To be truly objective the question should be "should laped cars get to unlap themselves after a red flag period". Don't forget Lewis isn't the only driver who benefitted from the rule today.
Sure, thats the bigger question, no disagreement there. Still it is examples like today that make such questions surface - and i find the questioning of objectivity as a default response to that (or calling it 'Whining') a bit harsh.

And yes, its a rare occasion, and as jordanmugen points out, there are understandable reasons for the rule to exist. Nevertheless, its a fair question to raise in my opinion.

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El Scorchio wrote:
18 Apr 2021, 17:17
Ah. So basically it’s just unfair now because it helped Hamilton. Got it.
Yup, probably very likely the same people haven't complained once about this rule in the past. Now all of a sudden, its 'BS'
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JordanMugen wrote:
18 Apr 2021, 18:52
grubschumi13 wrote:
18 Apr 2021, 17:38
To be fair I think Russell was to blame for that crash. Certainly Bottas did not do anything wrong. Surely Russell should have conceded that position. It was a Mercedes he was racing after all.
Russell was the one overtaking the Mercedes. :?:
Well he should have backed out of the move. He moaned about how Bottas should consider the conditions but he went for that move in-spite of the conditions.

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dans79 wrote:
18 Apr 2021, 17:23
I think some of the max fans are ignoring the fact that Max almost lost it before the restart.
Max did lose it, he had wheels off the track while spinning. Im surprised Leclerc didn't try to pass him like Gasly did with Perez earlier in the race.
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When and where is the next race, guys?

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Yes, Hamilton got luck today. But almost no other driver have the calm to bring a car, that is this way in the gravel/wall, back on track. He did it many times in his career. And this is also something that make him a very good driver.

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michl420 wrote:
18 Apr 2021, 18:58
Yes, Hamilton got luck today. But almost no other driver have the calm to bring a car, that is this way in the gravel/wall, back on track. He did it many times in his career. And this is also something that make him a very good driver.
Yea, I think a lot of drivers would have just dug 2 holes with their rear wheels and dnfed on the spot.
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erudite450 wrote:
18 Apr 2021, 18:58
When and where is the next race, guys?
https://www.formula1.com/en/racing/2021.html
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On this race the most striking thing is that... Mercedes is already ahead on dry track

I think this is the end already of the fight, RB and Max won’t be able to beat Mercedes

And please, Bottas must lose his seat

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dans79 wrote:
18 Apr 2021, 19:00
michl420 wrote:
18 Apr 2021, 18:58
Yes, Hamilton got luck today. But almost no other driver have the calm to bring a car, that is this way in the gravel/wall, back on track. He did it many times in his career. And this is also something that make him a very good driver.
Yea, I think a lot of drivers would have just dug 2 holes with their rear wheels and dnfed on the spot.
2007 nurburgring comes into mind. He had the foresight to just keep his car running and got fished out to finish the race while everyone else gave up

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DChemTech wrote:
18 Apr 2021, 18:32
El Scorchio wrote:
18 Apr 2021, 18:23
But what objection could you have with the rules today? It’s just the procedure.
That something is the procedure doesnt mean it cannot be changed. It used to be the procedure that women could not vote, and years prior, that men couldnt either. We have changed that for the better. Now, thats a hyperbole of course, but f1 procedures can change just as well. They are not set in stone.

I think the question "should a driver that has been off the track for over a minute, and fell a lap behind, be able to end second due to being lucky with a naturalization?" Is a fair question, even of such occasions are rare. I actually dont have a strong preference for one of the other; there are arguments for and against the rules as they are now. But i think we should be able to discuss those issues, and hence discuss whether the procedures should change in that respect, without immediately being accussed of just being salty for seeing amother driver being advantaged.
EXACTLY. I don’t care who the benefactor may be on the day. To me the unlapping is unsporting as that’s not how the action unfolded on track before the accident. It just so happened it was HAM benefitting. Good for him, seriously. This “you must be a Max Fanboy”, what an inane and childish way of addressing a fair question being posed. I’d have done the same if it happened to ANY other driver on the grid. They are the rules and HAM made hay with them. Solid drive to carve back up to 2nd. Still don’t agree with unlapping before a restart.

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dans79 wrote:
18 Apr 2021, 19:13
erudite450 wrote:
18 Apr 2021, 18:58
When and where is the next race, guys?
https://www.formula1.com/en/racing/2021.html
Thanks mate. I was just too lazy :D :D