2017 Mclaren F1 Team - Honda

[Jef Patat]

@ thunders: Where's the optimism?

[GPR-A duplicate2]

I think that Honda is being very transparent and giving us everything we want to know. They've told us exactly whats wrong, when they're changing the engine, which which one they're changing it with... Etc etc. Haven't heard a single peep from Renault about their problems, nor Sauber. Force India had some exhaust issues yesterday and red bull have just about reached McLarens lap tally. Maybe if Honda just kept quiet, perhaps it would seem more 'normal' (like it does with other teams when they have issues) and less 'OMG the world's gonna end'

Just a thought

I wish, I can take that transparency and make a good cheese out of it and have it with my sandwich.

Renault, Force India and Sauber haven't set their eyes on championship battle and it's ok for them to have their struggles.
What's more, people are taking comfort in comparing McLaren's situation with Sauber, a team that could barely stand in the competition!

I would have been happy to see them in a position where they need not have to say anything at all and the Engine is doing all the talking.

Being a "Fan" doesn't mean you keep endorsing the mediocrity. True fans demand accountability while failing and exercise caution and humility at success. Supporting a team or individual, doesn't mean you forget their shortcomings.

Answer for those who are saying, the effect of G forces on dyno blah blah blah...

14:04 It’s worrying to see Honda say that there are concerns about its oil tank based on what happened yesterday. To discover an oil tank shape is potentially incorrect suggests something is seriously wrong as normally it only shows up as a pickup problem in fast corners. To discover it on an installation lap at lower speeds suggests it’s a fundamental problem. The oil tank is vital to the engine and something most teams have a very good understanding of and very good test rigs to simulate all the forces and flows. So for McLaren and Honda to come to the first test session with a potential problem is a concern. It seems they are still missing out on the basics.

[Thunder]

@ thunders: Where's the optimism?

On Lunch Break i suppose.

Edit: I mean there is no Point in denying the Fact that such little Running hurts. No matter how optimistic one is for the Project.

[lio007]

https://twitter.com/SoyMotor/status/836544147582566400

"McLaren changes the engine of Vandoorne by the unit that Alonso used yesterday morning, confirms Honda."

Does it mean they're already short on spare engines?
How many PU do you think Honda has brought do BCN?

[isullivan]

Almost 3 years of continuous disappointment for fans of the brand and Alonso/Button. I'm sure in the first hour of yesterday's test Alonso knew already that top 10 is what he will be fighting for again.

[ollandos]

mclaren must buy manor or other second team ...and make a deal with porsche or audi or bmw even ilmor-ricardo for new engine ..to ready for next year ...honda spend 3 years for nothing ...they know from 2014 what the best engine is (mercedes) and its work ..and after 3 years they cant take nothing ...honda culture and work way cant hit the f1 standar...mclaren need european parthner ...maybe ricardo-ilmor engine with mclaren hydrid system can do better job ...than honda and faster .....honda from the very first day it was necessary to run parallel program with mercedes style engine ...to find differents and solutions for they ideas ....they dont doing this they dont wond personels from other and only spend a time for disaster......after 3 years unacceptable start this season ....i think game is over for honda...if mclaren want to be top team again must go on with out honda....

[GPR-A duplicate2]

Honda is a lot like Ferrari. Hell bent on hiring only local talent and refusing to use any outsider to lead them (less so in Ferrari). In a world rapidly embracing globalization and F1 being an international competition, you can't live with those stone age emotions.

Imagine a Mercedes or Red Bull F1 team, situated somewhere in Germany/Austria and hell bent on hiring only local resources!

[GoranF1]

[bauc]

I'm beyond disappointed with the testing of this 2 days, so much positive build up in the winter, so much hope gone, killed, splashed, run-over by this ridiculous issues 3rd year in a row (3rd)

[Phil]

This is what testing is about. Don't get too discouraged yet. Last year they were like this and ended up being midfield. Anything can happen yet.

No it isn't. It just isn't.

Testing is not for the purpose of only testing the engine. It's not Honda's test. While that Mclaren is sitting inside the garage, other teams are out there doing the mileage, gathering lots of data, bolting on different aero parts. Finding out what works, what doesn't. Mercedes alone has been testing various different bits - different sidepods, two different T-wings, with shark-fin and without. We can only speculate what they also must surely be testing on the PU side. Then there is also the studying of the new Pirelli tires - surely one of the most important aspects of this new F1 era (since 2011).

Meanwhile, instead of McLaren testing and gathering data on their chassis, they are fighting with PU related problems.

Some of this surely boils down to McLaren wanting this exclusive partnership. While all other teams have at least 1 customer team running its latest engine, Honda only has the McLaren. We know that at the end of 2015 when RedBull was knocking on doors in search for an engine, McLaren refused to share Honda.

I find the situation particularly unfortunate because the PU problems mean that McLaren will not be getting the necessary amount of data for its chassis/aero development - which will be extremely important this year.

There are only 12 limited days around for testing. When you're up against teams like Ferrari, Mercedes and Redbull, you can't be wasting time on issues that shouldn't be there.

[daren_p]

Looks like they were able to do 257 laps for the first test last year, lets see how the next two days go.....

Edit: & 453 laps for the second test.

[dr_cooke]

May this design flaw be caused by underestimating (or directly not considering) the increased Gs cars would withstand this yr?

[damager21]

On the upside, its good that for 2 days running we know that something is wrong with only the Oil tank design. So that's only one part which Honda needs to rectify.

On the downside, they have not done enough running to test other parts yet so hopefully no other failures.

[bosanac1]

Couldn't they atleast run things from last year knowing that it works?

this is beyond a joke.

They need to buy Manor and shove Honda unit in there otherwise this season is lost too.

[Thunder]

Well apparently we will have some FlowViz Pictures soon, of AMuS is right.