2023 United States Grand Prix - COTA, Oct 20 - 22

[dans79]

• The race got their infographic wrong alfa Romeo has only been checked once!
• The FIA couldn't even be bother to post a scrutineering document for Austria!
• The FIA only checked planks in 9 out of the 17 races! (ignoring Austria) Not to mention they skipped some obvious track where they should be checking, Bahrain & Belgium.

Yet more proof the FIA is inept!

[ValeVida46]

[*] The FIA couldn't even be bother to post a scrutineering document for Austria!
[*] The FIA only checked planks in 9 out of the 17 races! (ignoring Austria) Not to mention they skipped some obvious track where they should be checking, Bahrain & Belgium.

Yet more proof the FIA are inept!

I'd love to know why there is no scrutineering docs for Austria.
Perhaps they randomly went missing? Or no scrutineering was conducted at all?

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[*] The FIA couldn't even be bother to post a scrutineering document for Austria!
[*] The FIA only checked planks in 9 out of the 17 races! (ignoring Austria) Not to mention they skipped some obvious track where they should be checking, Bahrain & Belgium.

Yet more proof the FIA are inept!

I'd love to know why there is no scrutineering docs for Austria.
Perhaps they randomly went missing? Or no scrutineering was conducted at all?

Duchessa claimed ferrari were scrutinized on plank wear at Austria so presumably it happened

[dans79]

I'd love to know why there is no scrutineering docs for Austria.
Perhaps they randomly went missing? Or no scrutineering was conducted at all?

who knows, even the way the FIA list checks is all over the place.

https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files ... eering.pdf

A physical floor and a plank wear inspection was carried out on car numbers 01, 16, 44 and 04.

vs.

The following aerodynamic component or bodywork areas were checked on car numbers 11, 04 and
22:
-        Floor Body                                  - TR Article 3.5.1
-        Floor Fences                                - TR Article 3.5.2
-        Floor Edge Wing                             - TR Article 3.5.3
-        Nose                                        - TR Article 3.6.1
-        Forward Chassis                             - TR Article 3.6.2
-        Mid Chassis                                 - TR Article 3.6.3
-        Mirror Housing                              - TR Article 3.6.4
-        Sidepod                                     - TR Article 3.7.1
-        Coke Panel                                  - TR Article 3.7.2
-        Engine Cover                                - TR Article 3.7.3

you would expect the plank to be in the above, and called out as TR Article 3.5.9 as that's is where the rule actually exists in the regulations.

[ValeVida46]

Duchessa claimed ferrari were scrutinized on plank wear at Austria so presumably it happened

That would make it even more peculiar why the FIA have not disclosed the document as listed, right?

[Cs98]

You can't safely conclude that. If the FIA is basing their decisions on cars to check partly on data, then 8 other teams pushing the rules is gonna get figured out - maybe not immediately, but at some point.

I know the FIA sometimes presents themselves as somewhat incompetent, but they're not that stupid.

If there is bias raised from previous races being projected into a future race, that would alleviate others from the same scrutiny. That much is clear from the numbers of inspections we've seen some teams get over others.

I mean we literally just had a driver go off track 28 times without sanction, this was picked up by a random on twitter.
I'd say the FIA at this both point are both incompetent and stupid.

Strange time to criticise the FIA for ineptitude when they just used their post-race inspection process to bust two illegal cars at the same race. The time to criticise them for "bias" would've been before, when they had checked certain cars more than others but never found anything. The USGP only serves to validate the FIA knew what they were doing and clearly have a process in place for monitoring suspected offenders. I'm more at ease knowing that rather than believing the selection is 100% random. Then it would truly be a lottery of "are we going to get away with it this time".

[dans79]

Strange time to criticise the FIA for ineptitude when they just used their post-race inspection process to bust two illegal cars at the same race. The time to criticise them for "bias" would've been before, when they had checked certain cars more than others but never found anything.

Yet they didn't check at almost half the races, nor did they check at tracks where bottoming is verry common.....

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Strange time to criticise the FIA for ineptitude when they just used their post-race inspection process to bust two illegal cars at the same race. The time to criticise them for "bias" would've been before, when they had checked certain cars more than others but never found anything.

Yet they didn't check at almost half the races, nor did they check at tracks where bottoming is verry common.....

That lends credence to "more randomness" aspect. That teams are still at very real risk of disqualification even when they sometimes don't check at tracks where bottoming is happening a lot is enough dissuasion for them to almost always never fall foul of this rule. And in this instance it only happened due to the sprint race.

[TFSA]

Strange time to criticise the FIA for ineptitude when they just used their post-race inspection process to bust two illegal cars at the same race. The time to criticise them for "bias" would've been before, when they had checked certain cars more than others but never found anything.

Yet they didn't check at almost half the races, nor did they check at tracks where bottoming is verry common.....

Again, if they had no reason to suspect the cars were bottoming out excessively, they wouldn't need to.

First: Unlike some things, where you HAVE to check to actually know (like the fuel), plank wear is something that can be deducted based on data- and evidence before any actual inspection take place. Sensor in the car can give an indication of the car touching the ground and how much. Camera footage can show it. The smell of burned titanium can.

Second: Plank wear is a very rare issue, and the fact that we - in the past almost 30 years - had no violations until last weekend, with a bumpy track and limited time for teams to test their setup properly, shows that the FIA likely knows what they're doing in this instance.

So ultimately, the problem is that the "proof" that you presented for the FIA being "Inept", to me looks like proof that they're actually very smart. They know when plank wear might be an issue. They know which cars to check. And as such, they acted accordingly, and caught 2 teams out. If they had no data- or indication that cars were bottoming out and wearing their planks excessively in the 8 races where cars weren't checked, they have no reason to check them.

[ValeVida46]

Strange time to criticise the FIA for ineptitude when they just used their post-race inspection process to bust two illegal cars at the same race. The time to criticise them for "bias" would've been before, when they had checked certain cars more than others but never found anything.

Yet they didn't check at almost half the races, nor did they check at tracks where bottoming is verry common.....

Or have a document disappear.

It's literally a shooting gallery. Shoot in a certain direction enough times, you hit.
Jo Bauer saying he chooses randomly....the FIA is in a total mess.

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Strange time to criticise the FIA for ineptitude when they just used their post-race inspection process to bust two illegal cars at the same race. The time to criticise them for "bias" would've been before, when they had checked certain cars more than others but never found anything.

Yet they didn't check at almost half the races, nor did they check at tracks where bottoming is verry common.....

Or have a document disappear.

It's literally a shooting gallery. Shoot in a certain direction enough times, you hit.
Jo Bauer saying he chooses randomly....the FIA is in a total mess.

You look only for a mess, you will see a mess

[ValeVida46]

Yet they didn't check at almost half the races, nor did they check at tracks where bottoming is verry common.....

Or have a document disappear.

It's literally a shooting gallery. Shoot in a certain direction enough times, you hit.
Jo Bauer saying he chooses randomly....the FIA is in a total mess.

You look only for a mess, you will see a mess

Or one could just stick their head in the sand and be blissfully unaware.

[dans79]

You look only for a mess, you will see a mess

Well I've been saying the fia is horrible at what they do for years.

Additionally, in spite of what you hinted at in your now altered post, I personally don't care who it affects.

The fIa should have a documented process and it shouldn't be up to an individuals whim.

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You look only for a mess, you will see a mess

Well I've been saying the fia is horrible at what they do for years.

Additionally, in spite of what you hinted at in your now altered post, I personally don't care who it affects.

The fIa should have a documented process and it shouldn't be up to an individuals whim.

I wasn't claiming you care about which team it affects for the record

[ValeVida46]

The fIa should have a documented process and it shouldn't be up to an individuals whim.

This is the crux of the matter that seems to be lost among some.

It's critical you have a scrutineering system that is fairly apportioned and equally executed. There's can't be gaping holes where some competitors haven't even had their plank checked this entire season.