a job for flap blowing ?
Could we just lose those wing end plate extensions?
Agree ... it has everything to do with everybody and their desire to change something .... nothing to do with Formula 1.
That rear wing last flap like the F2 car looks so silly
A Superformula SF23 does 1'35.792 with 550 hp, 670 kg, no DRS but with push to pass
Ferrari and Aston Martin have pretty much caught up with DRS gain, by increasing the RW drag with DRS closed. There was never any secret to Red Bull's DRS, it was always about the biggest flap at the biggest angle
A job for webbed driving gloves
yh me too, it just makes the sport more complex, more artifical and arguably will make the sport harder to watch. d-rating will be an issue and there will have to be even more management which is frankly boring, I can't imagine the drivers are salivating to race these new cars that change in downforce levels constantly. Everyone is talking about efficiency but what about the the spectacle, the cars are still too heavy and the sports facination with displaying itself as green is not only nonsensical but is a detrement to the ability to create good racing.
active aero could readily give downforce fixed relative to speed (as an aeroplane does fixed lift) ....Apexseal157 wrote: ↑26 Apr 2024, 03:48... these new cars that change in downforce levels constantly. Everyone is talking about efficiency but ....
that doesnt sound like what is happenening here though, to me this is basically double drs on 'roids and no driver wants to rock up to a turn and suddenly the downforce level changes. Gusty crosswinds already cause drivers to crash due to changing df levels so having the aero balance shifting about with active aero will be horrid to drive on the edge. Also think about the saftey horrors, imagine the rear wing flaps fail (like redbull's did a few years ago) and suddenly you're turning in with no rear downforce... Wing failure at baku? Dead, faulty electronics at spa? Aeroplane. If F1 is an "efficiency formula" and that priority comes above all else then the sport will suffer becuase the entertainment value is bad now and will get worse. The efficiency formula should be endurance prototypes not F1.Tommy Cookers wrote: ↑26 Apr 2024, 11:12active aero could readily give downforce fixed relative to speed (as an aeroplane does fixed lift) ....Apexseal157 wrote: ↑26 Apr 2024, 03:48... these new cars that change in downforce levels constantly. Everyone is talking about efficiency but ....
yes that's not trivial
but if F1 is an efficiency formula it's an efficiency formula
As I understand it, there will designated and electronically activated "active aero zones".Apexseal157 wrote: ↑26 Apr 2024, 21:57that doesnt sound like what is happenening here though, to me this is basically double drs on 'roids and no driver wants to rock up to a turn and suddenly the downforce level changes. Gusty crosswinds already cause drivers to crash due to changing df levels so having the aero balance shifting about with active aero will be horrid to drive on the edge. Also think about the saftey horrors, imagine the rear wing flaps fail (like redbull's did a few years ago) and suddenly you're turning in with no rear downforce... Wing failure at baku? Dead, faulty electronics at spa? Aeroplane. If F1 is an "efficiency formula" and that priority comes above all else then the sport will suffer becuase the entertainment value is bad now and will get worse. The efficiency formula should be endurance prototypes not F1.Tommy Cookers wrote: ↑26 Apr 2024, 11:12active aero could readily give downforce fixed relative to speed (as an aeroplane does fixed lift) ....Apexseal157 wrote: ↑26 Apr 2024, 03:48... these new cars that change in downforce levels constantly. Everyone is talking about efficiency but ....
yes that's not trivial
but if F1 is an efficiency formula it's an efficiency formula
Guaranteed train-wreck...AR3-GP wrote: ↑27 Apr 2024, 01:02As I understand it, there will designated and electronically activated "active aero zones".Apexseal157 wrote: ↑26 Apr 2024, 21:57that doesnt sound like what is happenening here though, to me this is basically double drs on 'roids and no driver wants to rock up to a turn and suddenly the downforce level changes. Gusty crosswinds already cause drivers to crash due to changing df levels so having the aero balance shifting about with active aero will be horrid to drive on the edge. Also think about the saftey horrors, imagine the rear wing flaps fail (like redbull's did a few years ago) and suddenly you're turning in with no rear downforce... Wing failure at baku? Dead, faulty electronics at spa? Aeroplane. If F1 is an "efficiency formula" and that priority comes above all else then the sport will suffer becuase the entertainment value is bad now and will get worse. The efficiency formula should be endurance prototypes not F1.Tommy Cookers wrote: ↑26 Apr 2024, 11:12
active aero could readily give downforce fixed relative to speed (as an aeroplane does fixed lift) ....
yes that's not trivial
but if F1 is an efficiency formula it's an efficiency formula
right, so as they enter or exit a zone the balance will still change multiple times thoughout a lap, not a secure driving experiance and even with zones that still doesn't rule out failures in either the software or actuator mechanism which could result in some very nasty situations due to a sudden change in load and aero balance.AR3-GP wrote: ↑27 Apr 2024, 01:02As I understand it, there will designated and electronically activated "active aero zones".Apexseal157 wrote: ↑26 Apr 2024, 21:57that doesnt sound like what is happenening here though, to me this is basically double drs on 'roids and no driver wants to rock up to a turn and suddenly the downforce level changes. Gusty crosswinds already cause drivers to crash due to changing df levels so having the aero balance shifting about with active aero will be horrid to drive on the edge. Also think about the saftey horrors, imagine the rear wing flaps fail (like redbull's did a few years ago) and suddenly you're turning in with no rear downforce... Wing failure at baku? Dead, faulty electronics at spa? Aeroplane. If F1 is an "efficiency formula" and that priority comes above all else then the sport will suffer becuase the entertainment value is bad now and will get worse. The efficiency formula should be endurance prototypes not F1.Tommy Cookers wrote: ↑26 Apr 2024, 11:12
active aero could readily give downforce fixed relative to speed (as an aeroplane does fixed lift) ....
yes that's not trivial
but if F1 is an efficiency formula it's an efficiency formula