Red Bull RB8 Renault

[Coefficient]

Why would the benefit be relative to the competition, rather than relative to their own car without it?

I use 'relative to the competition' as a way for us to make an evaluation. Of course the team knows exactly. They could have easily done back to back tests to compare results.

There is the possibility, that even if it made no difference at this point in development, that it was used to 'test the water' with the officials.

Brian

I think Vettel was relieved to have the system because the traction of RB8 was doing his head in prior to the tricky engine mapping. This was a factor in Mark getting the better of him until recently. So we could see Webber more comfortable with the car than Vettel this weekend and the car being slightly weaker on traction and as a result tyre wear will be compromised. We are talking tiny values here though, you won't see them plummet to hang out with Marrussia but it will put them back on a par with the Mcalrens.

[raymondu999]

I think Vettel was relieved to have the system because the traction of RB8 was doing his head in prior to the tricky engine mapping. This was a factor in Mark getting the better of him until recently. So we could see Webber more comfortable with the car than Vettel this weekend and the car being slightly weaker on traction and as a result tyre wear will be compromised. We are talking tiny values here though, you won't see them plummet to hang out with Marrussia but it will put them back on a par with the Mcalrens.

Save for Silverstone - Vettel has been ahead of Mark since Valencia though, while I'm quite sure that the mapping didn't come in until Hockenheim. I wouldn't be too quick to rush into any conclusions.

[Coefficient]

I think Vettel was relieved to have the system because the traction of RB8 was doing his head in prior to the tricky engine mapping. This was a factor in Mark getting the better of him until recently. So we could see Webber more comfortable with the car than Vettel this weekend and the car being slightly weaker on traction and as a result tyre wear will be compromised. We are talking tiny values here though, you won't see them plummet to hang out with Marrussia but it will put them back on a par with the Mcalrens.

Save for Silverstone - Vettel has been ahead of Mark since Valencia though, while I'm quite sure that the mapping didn't come in until Hockenheim. I wouldn't be too quick to rush into any conclusions.

The mapping has been there for a while, since the trick alternator. The maps have just got more aggressive as the weeks went by and Mr. Bauer didn't realise the signficance of them. At Hockenheim they just took the mickey and Bauer spotted it.

[raymondu999]

The mapping has been there for a while, since the trick alternator. The maps have just got more aggressive as the weeks went by and Mr. Bauer didn't realise the signficance of them. At Hockenheim they just took the mickey and Bauer spotted it.

Trick alternator? I don't remember anything special about the alternator, other than an ability to overheat from racewinning positions. Have a source for that?

[Coefficient]

The Maps can't be achieved without the alternator. I'll find the link during my lunch break. In the meantime this is worth posting to support my comment.

Remy Taffin, Renualtsport Engineer for Red Bull.

"From the start of the year we’ve been probing ever more deeply into the kind of mapping we used in Germany — it evolves race by race, like every other bit of the car. We can’t do that any longer, so we’ll have to look elsewhere to find the next hundredth.”

[red300zx99]

do you all remember when I think it was the race before silverstone. they were onboard the Ferrari's, as they were doing practice starts. and they had dam good traction.
rob smeadly was asking Felipe to use more throttle etc. I think Ferrari are using this as well!!

If Massa was asked to use more throttle then Ferrari's system is different. The eye opener about the RBR map was the fact that at WOT they had reduced torque.

[Jackuar]

Apologies if already posted (though its was expected, an official news now) - RBR are asked to change their mappings.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/spor ... 163616.cms

[Forza]

Some Flow Vis testing on RB8 during FP1

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

Is the exhaust German spec? Or has it changed?

[Nando]

I think Vettel was relieved to have the system because the traction of RB8 was doing his head in prior to the tricky engine mapping. This was a factor in Mark getting the better of him until recently. So we could see Webber more comfortable with the car than Vettel this weekend and the car being slightly weaker on traction and as a result tyre wear will be compromised. We are talking tiny values here though, you won't see them plummet to hang out with Marrussia but it will put them back on a par with the Mcalrens.

Save for Silverstone - Vettel has been ahead of Mark since Valencia though, while I'm quite sure that the mapping didn't come in until Hockenheim. I wouldn't be too quick to rush into any conclusions.

I would say that the more RBR gets back of the exhaust blowing the faster Vettel will be in relation to Webber.

[Teechnical]

Was the arrow always there?

[Huntresa]

Was the arrow always there?

Yes

[elFranZ]

Auto Motor und Sport is reporting an insight from Canada: according to some anonymous informer, FIA catched RB making riding height adjustments during park fermè regime. The episode was never mentioned in public, because they ordered the team to revert everything back, and they just did.

Source blogf1.it (in Italian):
http://www.blogf1.it/2012/07/27/red-bul ... a-un-caso/

Don't know if true or not, but, ENOUGH of these questions. Looks like we're back in 1994.
Sorry if it's the wrong topic.

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

So red bull made ride height adjustments during parc ferme, and there was no penalty?

I like their ingenuity, I dislike their disregard for rules.

[elFranZ]

So red bull made ride height adjustments during parc ferme, and there was no penalty?

I like their ingenuity, I dislike their disregard for rules.

well, talking about ingenuity, the same rumor explains how they did: a custom little screwdriver (sort of) in the hands of the mecha which officially had to just clean the rear suspensions. I'm only reporting what I'm reading on the web, so do not take my words for facts, it's still a pure rumor.