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On the night from Friday to Saturday, burglars have stolen a large number of F1 trophies from Red Bull Racing. The break in caused significant damage as offenders drove a vehicle through the building's front entrance.
#aerogollumturbof1 wrote: YOU SHALL NOT......STALLLLL!!!
Mileage? They are not running....againThunders wrote:Reliability comes first. You ned mileage to understand the Car, then you can work on developements.
exactly, that's why we don't see new Parts.basti313 wrote: Mileage? They are not running....again
#aerogollumturbof1 wrote: YOU SHALL NOT......STALLLLL!!!
If they're still experiencing heat issues, which this is reported to be, then they are fools for not just opening up the back of the car and getting some miles under their belt. They should be pounding round the track pretty much at will by this stage, and whilst the other top teams are just short of this (due to the occasional gremlin) they're not far off. They've mismanaged this car from the start and don't appear to be learning from their mistakes.Thunders wrote:exactly, that's why we don't see new Parts.basti313 wrote: Mileage? They are not running....again
BEN ANDERSON.
"Apparently there's nothing wrong on the Renault side, but the RB10 is suffering overheating issues every time the driver tries to push it harder.
"Then it's back into the pits to open up the car and improve the cooling before the cycle repeats."
You are only as good as the last race in F1. Newey does produce cars that are either fast buy very fragile or unworkable as occurred at McLaren. All the things that made the Red Bull dominant in the last few seasons have gone (blown diffusers, Renault developing it's engine maps better than the rest etc), replaced by new regulations and engineering challenges. F1 goes in cycles, you only have to look at Williams and what's happened to them - Dominant force in F1 to also rans.danielk wrote:I just cannot write red bull off this year. They had a car last year which was so much more superior last year. Yes allot has been changed but they had an understanding of things much more than any other team. That understanding doesnt just go puff. Once they get on top of the Overheating they indeed will be close to the front of the grid, the only limiting factor is renault, how good is the engine once it can run. Engine freeze is tomorrow..............
The Merc solutions are planned variations, they were designed and produced before the tests started which is why we saw most of them early on. Merc will have been working away on their Melbourne and indeed probably their big barcelona upgrade for the last few weeks as well as reacting to what they discovered in the test. Red Bull are in a different position and faced with a choice, they could throw resources trying to do a patched up solution so they can run in testing. Or they can put all their resources into developing a more fully realised solution for the early races. You can do both but clearly, there is a finite amount of resources even if it is more than a lot of teams. It seems that they have decided to do the latter rather than the former and it points to some fundamental design problems with the rear of the car that can't be fixed with a quick patch up. They're making do with what they've got while they throw all their resources into getting a long term fix. You have to remember that all these parts have long lead times - the teams will be well into finalising the design of their barcelona upgrade packages at the moment. Red Bull will have had to stop their planned development process and will be working on a new development timeline which is by no means a simple case of 'just make the sidepods bigger' or 'open up the rear of the car'. It's far more complex than that, they first have to identify the problems before designing solutions that will not only get the car running but also not be too deterimental to the aero. It could be that they've completely messed up with the location of some of the control units or other electronics and are being forced to rethink the fundamental architecture of the car. These are not easy to solve - most teams have been working on these cars for over a year before winter testing started. If they have a fundamental design issue then it would be quite something to have fixes running for it in under four weeks.myurr wrote:Yet Mercedes are trying out various different cooling packages, and this on a car that essentially works. It's ludicrous to think that a solution couldn't be found if they said to hell with optimal aero, let's just get some miles on this thing.bonjon1979 wrote:Its ludicrous to think that they could just knock up a new rear end in the short time since the first test. They probably have to move components around altering the whole architecture of the rear. They have to design, test and then build a new solution. This takes a long time, it's not going to happen in the space of three - four weeks. Instead, they're trying to make do with what they've got while putting in the hours to develop a solution. That's how I read it, rather than stubbornness on Newey's part.
I agree with you to an extent but I still think it's the wrong approach for Red Bull. As things stand, unless they have a break through in the free practice sessions, I don't think Red Bull will even bother racing in Australia. So far in 10 days of testing they have managed to complete a single stint, not a race distance, a stint. The very next day kaboom and only half a lap on the board.bonjon1979 wrote:The Merc solutions are planned variations, they were designed and produced before the tests started which is why we saw most of them early on. Merc will have been working away on their Melbourne and indeed probably their big barcelona upgrade for the last few weeks as well as reacting to what they discovered in the test. Red Bull are in a different position and faced with a choice, they could throw resources trying to do a patched up solution so they can run in testing. Or they can put all their resources into developing a more fully realised solution for the early races. You can do both but clearly, there is a finite amount of resources even if it is more than a lot of teams. It seems that they have decided to do the latter rather than the former and it points to some fundamental design problems with the rear of the car that can't be fixed with a quick patch up. They're making do with what they've got while they throw all their resources into getting a long term fix. You have to remember that all these parts have long lead times - the teams will be well into finalising the design of their barcelona upgrade packages at the moment. Red Bull will have had to stop their planned development process and will be working on a new development timeline which is by no means a simple case of 'just make the sidepods bigger' or 'open up the rear of the car'. It's far more complex than that, they first have to identify the problems before designing solutions that will not only get the car running but also not be too deterimental to the aero. It could be that they've completely messed up with the location of some of the control units or other electronics and are being forced to rethink the fundamental architecture of the car. These are not easy to solve - most teams have been working on these cars for over a year before winter testing started. If they have a fundamental design issue then it would be quite something to have fixes running for it in under four weeks.
No one questioned ric's quali speed. It's the races people have doubts over.djos wrote:Anyone doubting that Riccardo had the speed and Talent to match Vettel should be in doubt no longer, Dan showed Seb clean heals for all 3 qually sessions and justified his replacing Webber in style!