Lift on a wing & Coanda

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Lift on a wing & Coanda

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Here is an interesting paper suggesting that lift is created by moving through the charge field emitted by the Earth.

http://milesmathis.com/lift.pdf

There are some interesting posted responses included at the end.

This is a nice follow up once digesting the first.

http://milesmathis.com/magnus.pdf
Last edited by dren on 04 Apr 2023, 21:52, edited 1 time in total.
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The first link isn't working.

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AR3-GP wrote:
04 Apr 2023, 21:46
The first link isn't working.
I fixed it. Works now. Thanks.
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Just copy the text,... Then again, don't waste your time on it.

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TimW wrote:
04 Apr 2023, 21:52
Just copy the text,... Then again, don't waste your time on it.
It was more of a morbid curiosity than anything :lol:

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AR3-GP wrote:
04 Apr 2023, 22:37
TimW wrote:
04 Apr 2023, 21:52
Just copy the text,... Then again, don't waste your time on it.
It was more of a morbid curiosity than anything :lol:
I feel your pain, I suffer from this morbid curiosity syndrome as well #-o

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The same applies to a wing in the normal position. If you go to AskaMathematician.com, and ask him
this question, you are treated like an idiot. He tells you,
Using the engines we have today (jets and whatnot) you could fly a brick, so long as the nose is pointed up.
I take issue with the above from the first link.

This, although sounding flippant, is the truth, you cannot use an aircraft flying upside down as evidence that there is a magical lift phenomena at work.

A wing does not need to produce any lift force when thrust is abundant enough, if anything the wing is nothing more than a guide vane, and a poor one in that scenario.

Even a brick with enough thrust will fly #-o
You see that this implies angle of attack is what is important. He wants you to think that,
because all the old answers have fallen apart. But if you aren't an idiot, you remember watching planes
take off. Planes taking off have no necessary angle of attack.
The picture is a commercial airliner sat static on a runway. I believe this person thinks that angle of attack refers to the FUSELAGE not the WING :shock: :D Imagine if a wing on a plane did not have a positive angle of attack :roll:

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mzivtins wrote:
30 May 2023, 15:33


The picture is a commercial airliner sat static on a runway. I believe this person thinks that angle of attack refers to the FUSELAGE not the WING :shock: :D Imagine if a wing on a plane did not have a positive angle of attack :roll:
I only scanned through it when it was previously posted, so I don't remember if the author discussed the tail of normal aircraft. They are actually set to generate downforce, not lift, as the centre of pressure of most aircraft is behind the centre of gravity. I bet he'd have kittens with that...
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dren wrote:
04 Apr 2023, 21:31
Here is an interesting paper suggesting that lift is created by moving through the charge field emitted by the Earth.

http://milesmathis.com/lift.pdf

There are some interesting posted responses included at the end.

This is a nice follow up once digesting the first.

http://milesmathis.com/magnus.pdf
I’d send then to my PhD aerospace aerodynamicist friend, but he’d likely never talk to me again after calling me an idiot.


However, if you want to see a cool Coanda wing jet, this is it: https://www.planeandpilotmag.com/articl ... e-jetwing/

https://airfactsjournal.com/2021/02/fro ... e-jetwing/

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Hoffman900 wrote:
30 May 2023, 15:49
However, if you want to see a cool Coanda wing jet, this is it: https://www.planeandpilotmag.com/articl ... e-jetwing/

https://airfactsjournal.com/2021/02/fro ... e-jetwing/
In a similar vein, the Hunting H126 investigated jet blown flaps back in the 60s.

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dren wrote:
04 Apr 2023, 21:31
Here is an interesting paper suggesting that lift is created by moving through the charge field emitted by the Earth.

http://milesmathis.com/lift.pdf

There are some interesting posted responses included at the end.

This is a nice follow up once digesting the first.

http://milesmathis.com/magnus.pdf

Someone who has no idea about physics wrote this. To learn how lift is generated either read "Variational Lift Theory" or https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source= ... kTHD_bt0ce

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After scan reading a few pages, before clicking on his actual website, I'm going to assume this Miles Mathis guy is unfortunately a flat-earther....

Edit: Seems like he isn't a flat-earther, he is just some delusional lunatic who thinks NASA and Academia is lying to us and that he somehow knows better than the whole combined efforts of human history from the past 4000+ years or so. Poor guy.