Strakes vs bargeboards

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Fluido
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Strakes vs bargeboards

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Are strakes at the inlet of tunnel given by FIA rules or teams installed them because bargeboards are forbiden?

If bargeboards are not forbidden, would team use strakes again?

Strakes produce lots of vortices, is better to have laminar flow or vortex flow under the car?
Bagerboard stop dirty flow from front tire wake do go under tha car , so why they install these strakes that produce dirty air under the car?

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Hoffman900
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Strakes work for all types, flat floor and venturi tunnels. It’s all laid out here:

https://viterbik12.usc.edu/wp-content/u ... namics.pdf

Joe Katz did a lot of work on this around 2000-2002 and has several SAE papers on it. See pages 48-50 with accompanying text, illustrations, and figures. His illustration from the 2002 SAE paper looks conceptually very close to the current F1 floors.

The paper: https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Jo ... ion_detail
A generic, Indy-type, open-wheel, racecar model was tested in a low speed, fixed ground wind tunnel. The elevated ground plane method was selected for the road simulation since one of the objectives was to allow flow visualization under the car (and this is not possible with current rolling ground wind tunnel setups). Consequently, both the groundplane and the wind tunnel floor were transparent to facilitate the flow visualization under the vehicle. The aerodynamic loads were measured by a six-component balance, and an effort was made to quantify the partial contributions of the various vehicle components. The main trends and aerodynamic interactions measured with this setup appear to be similar to data measured in larger wind tunnels using rolling ground simulations. As expected, the two wings and the underbody vortex generators generated most of the aerodynamic downforce. The very small rear diffusers allowed by the new millennium regulations are less effective than before, and their contribution to vehicle downforce is quite small. In terms of the drag force, the main contributors are the four large wheels, the two wings and the body's downforce induced drag.
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wesley123
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They essentially end up with the same goal. The strakes introduce some outwash. And just like the strakes introduce outwash, the bargeboards introduce vortices. The gains and downsides of each other will probably extremely nuanced and more based on the basis where you come from, rather than what would perform best.

If you were to talk about freedom, then imo a bargeboard would be the choice, as it is much more in a free area, and will thus give more freedom to work with. The strakes are under the floor, where the floor has already started, and thus conditioning will be relatively limited.

In this case it is imo more driven by appearance than actual utility. A big aspect of the ruleset was how the cars look, and bargeboards aren't exactly known for their good looks. Outside of that Liberty was able to sell this as "ground effect", and nostalgia sells.
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vorticism
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Still surprised they went with the CART/Champ car geometry, right down to the number of strakes. In more recent years Indycar ommitted the strakes and added a bargeboard while keeping the tunnel floor geometry.

CART--F1--Indycar
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Hoffman900
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vorticism wrote:
12 Apr 2023, 21:37
Still surprised they went with the CART/Champ car geometry, right down to the number of strakes. In more recent years Indycar ommitted the strakes and added a bargeboard while keeping the tunnel floor geometry.

http://www.mulsannescorner.com/LolaUnderbody.jpg
https://www.autodevot.com/wp-content/up ... rfloor.jpg
https://wp.usatodaysports.com/wp-conten ... b_0514.jpg
I suspect mostly aesthetics.

Indy Car also does a lot of blow over work as well, which F1 does not, so there might be some of that at play as well.

I forget when those strakes first appeared in CART, but I know they go back to 1998 at least.

Fluido
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Hoffman900 wrote:
12 Apr 2023, 20:27
Strakes work for all types, flat floor and venturi tunnels. It’s all laid out here:

https://viterbik12.usc.edu/wp-content/u ... namics.pdf

Joe Katz did a lot of work on this around 2000-2002 and has several SAE papers on it. See pages 48-50 with accompanying text, illustrations, and figures. His illustration from the 2002 SAE paper looks conceptually very close to the current F1 floors.

The paper: https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Jo ... ion_detail
A generic, Indy-type, open-wheel, racecar model was tested in a low speed, fixed ground wind tunnel. The elevated ground plane method was selected for the road simulation since one of the objectives was to allow flow visualization under the car (and this is not possible with current rolling ground wind tunnel setups). Consequently, both the groundplane and the wind tunnel floor were transparent to facilitate the flow visualization under the vehicle. The aerodynamic loads were measured by a six-component balance, and an effort was made to quantify the partial contributions of the various vehicle components. The main trends and aerodynamic interactions measured with this setup appear to be similar to data measured in larger wind tunnels using rolling ground simulations. As expected, the two wings and the underbody vortex generators generated most of the aerodynamic downforce. The very small rear diffusers allowed by the new millennium regulations are less effective than before, and their contribution to vehicle downforce is quite small. In terms of the drag force, the main contributors are the four large wheels, the two wings and the body's downforce induced drag.
So basicly strakes are big vortex generators,that allow high diffuser AoA?(just like on aircraft wing they allow high AoA with out stall)

Have F1 cars with flat floor also VGs at leading edge?

AR3-GP
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Is that the Sauber windtunnel model? Sidepods look odd. Or maybe it's the show car?

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vorticism
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FIA show car.

Edit: I should say, one in the same. The show car was the 1:1 version of this.
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BlueCheetah66
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AR3-GP wrote:
12 Apr 2023, 22:47
Is that the Sauber windtunnel model? Sidepods look odd. Or maybe it's the show car?
The Sauber windtunnel was used for tests by F1 when making the 2022 regulations, that car was just their mock up for testing

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Fluido wrote:
12 Apr 2023, 22:23
Have F1 cars with flat floor also VGs at leading edge?
Yep! Here's the Renault RS19:

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