Buxton replaced by Brundles' Son

[Biffle]

the biggest issue I have with the (FOX NASCAR) booth is the fact that there is no rhythm ... everything is delivered with a sigh and a shrug

But more than anything the failures in FOX's NASCAR coverage is the technical aspects ... shots of random people in the grandstands

As far as to what makes a good commentator, besides obvious personal tastes I think that there needs to be clear enthusiasm first and foremost. The people commentating have to come across as actually enjoying what they are doing. I would rather have someone who tends to sometimes be overzealous than someone who sounds like they just found out their credit card got stolen. Buxton is certainly enthusiastic, sometimes too much so.

I also think a good commentator is someone who does not try to dance around touchy subjects too much

Personally I think the gold standard for F1 commentary is Jolyon Palmer; he has enough recent F1 experience to know many of the teams and drivers, what the cars are (kind of) like, and also speaks his mind. He is enthusiastic but not artificial. He is not constantly yelling like Buxton, Jacques, Crofty, or others do.

Thank you for coming to my TED talk lol.

TED Talk LMAO

@continuum16 dude, I really like your profile picture of botas and how the hell did I miss the 16 connection hahahah. That is awesome, biffle fans unite! I wasn't sure anyone would even make that connection on this board, I should have known better, race fans watch motorsports far and wide my friend.

I'm so freaking glad I joined this forum, because I've been screaming at my TV by myself for what seems like years. You nailed it about the rhythm. At the end of the Atlanta race I was standing up almost jumping up and down, and you listen to the broadcast booth, and they're like... talking about nothing... I was like "why the hell aren't they screaming right now??" They should all be hanging over the grandstand, the racing was insane, and they're just like *meh* ? just wow. Yea I think you have something about havawreck there. He's good, but just too serious. Heee needs a shot not those people in the grandstand.

F1 does those super cringy grandstand shots too. Usually of kids? I have nothing against kids, but they're like stalking people. And you get this super close-up of someone in the pits, hanging there for like 10 solid seconds. I don't understand it. Those camera guys must be so bored or something? Hey let's zoom in on someone's cheek! Look I get it, but they need someone in the control room with a cringe sensor. Am I out of line?

I'm not a big Palmer fan, but I 100% agree that when announcers knowledgeably speak their mind about a "controversial" subject, I really like that, it shows they're willing to put their honest opinion on the line. Did you notice that people make fun of Palmer when he does that? "Oh there goes Palmer again, speaking his mind, what a nut!" Why does TV have to be so dumbed down? Like the SKY feed. Those guys dance around _everything_ god forbid they say something of substance, don't want to piss off their followers! Pretty sure plenty of people that sky got rid of were that type. Just "too edgy" "too real" has to be a yes man and superficial to make it at sky.

So thanks for that, and I agree, IMHO a good commentator is knowledgable, speaks their mind. Is enthusiastic but not artificial.

[Hoffman900]

All your old announcers came from traditional radio, so they had to and that’s where they perfected their craft.


The art isn’t lost. Listen to a NHL, MLB, or a NFL game on the radio with a good crew. That’s exactly what they still do. They just don’t recruit tv commentators out of these ranks anymore though.

[continuum16]

F1 does those super cringy grandstand shots too. Usually of kids? I have nothing against kids, but they're like stalking people. And you get this super close-up of someone in the pits, hanging there for like 10 solid seconds. I don't understand it. Those camera guys must be so bored or something? Hey let's zoom in on someone's cheek! Look I get it, but they need someone in the control room with a cringe sensor. Am I out of line?

Finally someone else who would #stickwithBiff

Yes F1 does it, but I feel like they actually do it less than they used to. Maybe I'm 100% placebo'd. People used to flame them A LOT for the amount of crowd shots. At least it seems more often (than NASCAR at least) in response to something happening on track. A certain driver spins, we see some fan of that driver/team etc. It's not perfect and if I was directing (FOX I have no experience but I will entertain offers) I would have very few or basically no crowd shots short of something exceptional happening. If I want to people watch at a race track I will go to the Indy 500

And while I don't much care for the celebrity focus F1 has, at least I have a better chance of recognizing a random F1 celebrity shot than literally some rando in the stands. IDK. I feel like I have wandered quite far from the Buxton discourse this thread was created for

back to regularly-scheduled programming

[PapayaFan481]

Leigh Diffey far better and far more studied/knowledgeable.

Meh. Leigh Diffey is more shouty than Buxton. They’re both pretty knowledgable with the edge to Buxton. Leigh is spread out across multiple sports.

Buxton is not knowledgeable, he is a parrot who often repeats false information, I think people feed him nonsense on purpose to laugh at him parroting it.

Agreed. Especially on DTS where it often seems like he's just "reporting" what DTS producers have decided the editorial drama for that episode will be. For example, in the latest season he talks about the Lando v Oscar dynamic at McLaren and basically states that there's a growing feeling that Oscar has a higher potential than Lando and is not just a future champion, but future multiple champion. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think I remember many, if any, people saying this...??

[JordanFiveOh]

All your old announcers came from traditional radio, so they had to and that’s where they perfected their craft.


The art isn’t lost. Listen to a NHL, MLB, or a NFL game on the radio with a good crew. That’s exactly what they still do. They just don’t recruit tv commentators out of these ranks anymore though.

Kevin Harlan is really good and does multiple sports.

Eric Nadel, the radio guy for the Texas Rangers, is incredible. He’s taken a step back these last few years, but he’s just awesome.

Craig Way calls University of Texas sports for radio and describes stuff visually really well, even down to the uniforms.

Just some of my favorites.

[NL_Fer]

Is there a reason F1TV stays British? Would like to see and hear a more international team.

[Biffle]

Is there a reason F1TV stays British? Would like to see and hear a more international team.

^^^ THIS! I don't have anything against British broadcasters, and at the same time I wish there was another option. That's why i'm really excited ESPN is dropping F1, and another entity could pick it up like Apple or Amazon!!

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p.s. About the current batch of broadcasters, the current F1TV crew feels like the "B" team, and croft, brundle & crew seem to be broadcasting the same brainrot thing year after year.

[GrizzleBoy]

The amount of nepobabies in this sport is beyond anything I've ever seen.

[Biffle]

The amount of nepobabies in this sport is beyond anything I've ever seen.

Wow I had to google that one, "nepobabies" LMAO

Love it! New favorite term! Goes great with "stroll the troll" .. "stroll the nepo baby troll" lol

[Quantum]

Bided my time on this as wanted to have an open mind.

So Alex Brundle thought Antonelli was disappointing.

Ant and Russell being on the H/M tyre for most laps, as the soft just wasn't switching on for the W16.
Russell's best of 1m17.3 was 3 tenths faster than Kimi. That's a competitive margin between team mates.
Something a commentator would outline before passing comments like that. A decent one, anyway.

Mercedes running most of their laps on the Hard tyre would also have been an outlier a commentator would pick up on. A decent one, anyway.

If in any doubt, he has timing screens to do some basic checks to validate what he's saying.
Antonelli's race pace avg was very competitive.
Faster than Piastri, Ham, Ver, Leclerc. albeit on the (slower)Hard tyre.
You have the data Alex, why didn't you use it....a decent one would.

What I find disappointing is having to listen to a guy who got where he is because his daddy opened doors for him to do what he did. There is no chance in hell this guy gets close to a microphone if his surname wasn't Brundle.
It's lazy, run of the mill, soundbite central drivel with no context or acuity as to check the most basic of references a commentator should use in modern F1.
Nope, just go straight for the easy, lazy critique.

That's what happens when you finish 17th in British F3....Then miraculously a year later find yourself in a Carlin seat with talented teammates like Antonio Felix Da Costa. Only to finish 16th while Da costa went on a title challenging run. This guy fell upwards with no merit to do so aside from his name.

[Biffle]

Does anyone know what's wrong with this site? I'm trying to reply to this post by Quantum an I keep getting "502 Bad Gateway"

[dren]

Does anyone know what's wrong with this site? I'm trying to reply to this post by Quantum an I keep getting "502 Bad Gateway"

lol I was getting 503'd. It seems to be working ok now.

[Biffle]

Does anyone know what's wrong with this site? I'm trying to reply to this post by Quantum an I keep getting "502 Bad Gateway"

lol I was getting 503'd. It seems to be working ok now.

Hahah, yep. I'm going to start looking for a new forum, this one is too dodgy performance-wise.

[Juzh]

Does anyone know what's wrong with this site? I'm trying to reply to this post by Quantum an I keep getting "502 Bad Gateway"

lol I was getting 503'd. It seems to be working ok now.

Hahah, yep. I'm going to start looking for a new forum, this one is too dodgy performance-wise.

lol bye then

[Juzh]

Bided my time on this as wanted to have an open mind.

So Alex Brundle thought Antonelli was disappointing.

Ant and Russell being on the H/M tyre for most laps, as the soft just wasn't switching on for the W16.
Russell's best of 1m17.3 was 3 tenths faster than Kimi. That's a competitive margin between team mates.
Something a commentator would outline before passing comments like that. A decent one, anyway.

Mercedes running most of their laps on the Hard tyre would also have been an outlier a commentator would pick up on. A decent one, anyway.

If in any doubt, he has timing screens to do some basic checks to validate what he's saying.
Antonelli's race pace avg was very competitive.
Faster than Piastri, Ham, Ver, Leclerc. albeit on the (slower)Hard tyre.
You have the data Alex, why didn't you use it....a decent one would.

What I find disappointing is having to listen to a guy who got where he is because his daddy opened doors for him to do what he did. There is no chance in hell this guy gets close to a microphone if his surname wasn't Brundle.
It's lazy, run of the mill, soundbite central drivel with no context or acuity as to check the most basic of references a commentator should use in modern F1.
Nope, just go straight for the easy, lazy critique.

That's what happens when you finish 17th in British F3....Then miraculously a year later find yourself in a Carlin seat with talented teammates like Antonio Felix Da Costa. Only to finish 16th while Da costa went on a title challenging run. This guy fell upwards with no merit to do so aside from his name.

I cant listen to little brundle at all. I just mute or skip forward whenever the opens his mouth.