2024 Las Vegas Grand Prix - Las Vegas Strip, Nov 21 - 23

[Juzh]

I don't understand how Leclerc couldn't pass Russell when he had the DRS for two laps. The Mercedes was one of the slowest on the straights and the Ferrari one of the fastest, he was close enough to where he should have made a comfortable pass.

Mercedes wasn't slow on straights, they just werent as fast as ferrari. Russell always had a pretty good exit onto the strip and that was that.

[Sieper]

There was no real chance for leclerc to make the pass. Russell defended well and had the Car to do so.

[Raleigh]

Monaco was a wash, Lando 4th and Max 6th. Both behind Ferrari.

Max had a 9 race run (10 minus Monaco) of significant race pace advantage over McLaren and won 7 out of 9 with no real competition from Ferrari or Mercedes.

There is genuinely no way you watched the early part of the season or remember it if you believe this

McLaren were every bit as fast as Ferrari at Monaco. Australia, imola, Canada, spain, Miami these can all be disputed as red bull having a

significant race pace advantage

lol. At Imola and Spain track position won the race for red bull (achieved by a tow in quali and Norris' bad start respectively) and McLaren had the fastest car at Miami - Norris was the fastest on track whenever he had clean air at Miami, setting fastest laps in traffic too. Australia red bull were not faster than Ferrari if we go by the race sims and Ferrari personnel believing they were the fastest, at best red bull were about equal fastest there. Canada things seemed equal between mercedes McLaren and red bull.

Not counting Australia, Max retired lap 4 with brake failure and clearly had brake problems from the start. Definitely not counting Monaco, that was pure Quali position and then extreme tyre management with no overtake chances.

Imola and Spain I will grant, Imola especially Lando had more pace at the end but too late for a real overtake chance.

Canada had a brief challenge but Max had Lando covered comfortably at the end. And then Miami Max had the race well in hand until Lando got the safety car stop and then had better tyres to the end.

So that's 2 races where Lando had pace to challenge but didn't win and exactly zero race pace challenges demonstrated by Ferrari or Mercedes. I stand by the earlier statement, Max never looked like losing any of the first 10 races just by race pace.

[venkyhere]

I don't understand how Leclerc couldn't pass Russell when he had the DRS for two laps. The Mercedes was one of the slowest on the straights and the Ferrari one of the fastest, he was close enough to where he should have made a comfortable pass.

Russel :
- had better tractoon from T12
- used battery only for the straight, since he was faster through the corners anyway
(hence, lower drag Ferrari was kept at bay).

[Bracken]

I don't understand how Leclerc couldn't pass Russell when he had the DRS for two laps. The Mercedes was one of the slowest on the straights and the Ferrari one of the fastest, he was close enough to where he should have made a comfortable pass.

Mercedes wasn't slow on straights, they just werent as fast as ferrari. Russell always had a pretty good exit onto the strip and that was that.

Are you sure, I thought they were one of the slowest without DRS?

[Seanspeed]

Max had the fastest car until at least Canada (9), possibly Spain (10).

A bonkers argument, to say the least. Seriously bonkers.

You'd have to think Perez was some garbage pay driver like Karthikeyan to claim this.

You seriously seem to not understand how good Max is.

[dialtone]

Max had the fastest car until at least Canada (9), possibly Spain (10).

A bonkers argument, to say the least. Seriously bonkers.

You'd have to think Perez was some garbage pay driver like Karthikeyan to claim this.

You seriously seem to not understand how good Max is.

Perez has been outqualified by VCARBs and possibly outscored by them too.

He is karthikeyan.

[venkyhere]

why karthikeyan ? wasn't mazepin worse ? or not ? Can't remember

[Seanspeed]

Max had the fastest car until at least Canada (9), possibly Spain (10).

A bonkers argument, to say the least. Seriously bonkers.

You'd have to think Perez was some garbage pay driver like Karthikeyan to claim this.

You seriously seem to not understand how good Max is.

Perez has been outqualified by VCARBs and possibly outscored by them too.

He is karthikeyan.

If you pretend Perez only poofed into existence in January 2024, I can maybe understand this perspective. But I'm confident you've been watching F1 before this season to know what you're saying is not remotely substantive.

[Raleigh]

Max had the fastest car until at least Canada (9), possibly Spain (10).

A bonkers argument, to say the least. Seriously bonkers.

You'd have to think Perez was some garbage pay driver like Karthikeyan to claim this.

You seriously seem to not understand how good Max is.

The same Sergio Perez who got knocked out multiple times in Q1 last year and was struggling to get onto the podium while Max was busy winning 19 races in one season.

In a fast car that suits his driving style Perez is a proven race winner but he has really struggled over the last 2 years if the car isn't working for him and seems to chain one bad result into the next.

[Vettel165]

"The last time the champions' team finished third in the constructors championship was in 1982."

This says it all really.


Give Max the fastest car and he will destroy the field. Give Max the second best car and he would win the WDC with his consistency and amazing race craft. Give him fourth, third best car and he will finish on the podium in some races.

[motobaleno]

"The last time the champions' team finished third in the constructors championship was in 1982."

This says it all really.


Give Max the fastest car and he will destroy the field. Give Max the second best car and he would win the WDC with his consistency and amazing race craft. Give him fourth, third best car and he will finish on the podium in some races.

and 1982 was the year when ferrari was clearly fastest (winning wcc) but with Villeneuve and then Pironi accidents otherwise both of them would easily win wdc...so a very anomalous year

[Watto]

I don't think the RB20 was ever as dominate as the RB19.

Even early in the season iirc they had pretty bad tyre wear issues. I think a little perhaps by design as if the RB19 has any flaws it was sometimes slow to switch on the tyres.

Perhaps in hindsight that should have been an early warning sign they kept following the development path and it got worse and worse,

That said I don't think the car was ever a complete dud but I do think it took a lot of Max's talent to minimize the damage . Not sure there were many if any races where you could say Max didn't make the most of the car he had.

[Seanspeed]

Max had the fastest car until at least Canada (9), possibly Spain (10).

A bonkers argument, to say the least. Seriously bonkers.

You'd have to think Perez was some garbage pay driver like Karthikeyan to claim this.

You seriously seem to not understand how good Max is.

The same Sergio Perez who got knocked out multiple times in Q1 last year and was struggling to get onto the podium while Max was busy winning 19 races in one season.

In a fast car that suits his driving style Perez is a proven race winner but he has really struggled over the last 2 years if the car isn't working for him and seems to chain one bad result into the next.

The very same one. Not saying Perez isn't struggling, but he's not garbage.

Red Bull were already eclipsed by Miami. Max was pulling that Red Bull to wins after that on sheer skill, not some car advantage. I dont know what else Max really needs to do to convince some people that he's that good.

[Waz]

A bonkers argument, to say the least. Seriously bonkers.

You'd have to think Perez was some garbage pay driver like Karthikeyan to claim this.

You seriously seem to not understand how good Max is.

The same Sergio Perez who got knocked out multiple times in Q1 last year and was struggling to get onto the podium while Max was busy winning 19 races in one season.

In a fast car that suits his driving style Perez is a proven race winner but he has really struggled over the last 2 years if the car isn't working for him and seems to chain one bad result into the next.

The very same one. Not saying Perez isn't struggling, but he's not garbage.

Red Bull were already eclipsed by Miami. Max was pulling that Red Bull to wins after that on sheer skill, not some car advantage. I dont know what else Max really needs to do to convince some people that he's that good.

Age of social media and clickbait algorithms. Joe Dirts opinion gets as many views as a proper motorsport journalist. If Joe Dirt doesn't like Max, neither will his million followers, for example. Rinse and repeat.

Even the main broadcasters only worry about the drama now, nobody cares how good a driver is.

Maybe some of that comes from 2 teams winning everything since 2010.