2024 Mclaren Formula 1 Team

[Darth-Piekus]

Fastest also doesnt mean taking the pole position only. Its a full weekend package and in a lot of those GPs the car was not top.

[mwillems]

That is extremely debatable and in my opinion you are incorect. The car was only the fastest by far in Zandvoort, Hungaroring and Singapore. Nowhere else you mentioned it had the capacity to be dominant for an easy win like Red Bull's car of the last two years.

Not fast enough that circumstances can't give the win to someone else. It's just that when those circumstances were in control of the driver or strategy team and not events out of our control then it becomes frustrating.

Fastest = best race pace in clean air.
Fastest doesn't mean 'dominant by a big margin' OR 'wins races by 20 seconds'.

That's what I said. Not fast enough that we can afford bad luck, bad strategy or poor driving. Dominant cars can afford those things.

[mwillems]

Forget my shady remark guys, I’ve re-read it a few times and I’ve got my wording all wrong.

I’m just going to clarify:

Thank goodness Mclaren signed Piastri

Anyway,
I’m not saying you aren’t going to be happy if Mclaren are victorious but I feel some Mclaren fans are going to look at it a bit like Mclaren won by default/ others failing.

I won’t.
Take the premier league for instance. IF Liverpool or Arsenal win the league it will be celebrated as a great achievement not because player X, Y and Z were out injured for City.

I do disagree about judging the car competitiveness comparisons with the points table.
The fact both McLaren drivers are close together which as it so happens at this moment in time is towards the front of the grid to mean means it’s a very competitive car which allows both cars to challenge.
Verstappen is just doing an incredible job with the car he has, a bit like Alonso did in his Ferrari years.

Well, that's one player from a very big and expensively assembled squad, one which the PL alleges was done by breaking the rules lol Whereas Mclaren are good "cityzens" of F1 .Whereas if one of your drivers doesn't perform, it's a big deal, akin to having half of your squad not turning up. So if Arsenal win the league, it's because they are the bet team in the world and City are dirty financial cheaters Joking. Sort of Ahahahaha

Listen, I'm not saying Mclaren don't deserve the WCC, they do, in my opinion. All the guys building the car, for me, have been by far the best since May of last year and I wouldn't begrudge them anything.

All I'm saying is, don't take it for granted and remember that all the mistakes could have been more costly than they were, if it wasn't for Red Bulls wonderful meltdown. Couldn't have happened to a nicer team.

[mwillems]

[BMMR61]

McLaren arguably came from a long way back to consistent podium players. This progress is measured from early 2023 to mid 2024. By early this year we were cemented in the top 4, arguably top 3 behind Ferrari and arguably ahead of Merc. As was the case the previous season, McLaren were predicting a strong upswing with major upgrades due to be introduced. Stella said then that he expected a continuation of the gains of 2023 to continue through the year. Ferrari were our target, who in turn were about 0.3 off of Red Bull. I stated then, that when dominations come to an end they usually don't happen gradually, but quite suddenly. This occurred, it was like success "sneaked up" on McLaren and they were ill prepared for some of the team management aspects that come with being at the front. Like strategy.

With all the mocking of McLaren's management shortcomings, many have failed to realise how much building a winning mentality entails. Strategy was the obvious, though not only area in need of building. Also, both our drivers had zero experience of winning. Max had several seasons of occasional wins before becoming the winning machine he now is, and he is an exceptional talent. Lando is measured by his 5+ seasons, though much of it was spent chasing top 8 positions, not podiums. The mentality is different and he has been adapting to the battle before him. Oscar always looked something of an exceptional talent, characterised by his Baku drive, where his character shone through. Between the two, McLaren look like they have a very good chance of the WCC.

[Henri]

https://x.com/F1BigData/status/1841082532411941056 the miami upgrade for McLaren was superb .. wonder why they couldn't start the season with it

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https://x.com/F1BigData/status/1841082532411941056 the miami upgrade for McLaren was superb .. wonder why they couldn't start the season with it

Stella said himself in pre-season. Things they wanted to have from the start of the season on the car weren't yet ready, so would come later. When they did the package was well rounded. It's probably all a matter of McLaren's development having been staggered relative to other teams by ~6 rounds for over 18 months atp. Maybe it should be traced back to the failures of key's reign and the final few months that they gave him to right the ship (which eventually failed). That few months or so resulted in a delay for the successful package we saw to arrive. The way I look at it, 2023's base package launched at Austria and 2024's base package launched at Miami, which is roughly a year later. So the same timeline as other teams for a car but just offset

[Darth-Piekus]

You know I was wondering now that we are on an one month break since the newest GP. Is being top dog always followed by scorn from others or are there double standards and hypocrisy? I remember hearing all those years how good of a job Andrian Newey and Red Bull did and how others should do better. The same with Mercedes of how they made such a good job with the car and the engine and the rest should be better. Now that Mclaren is top all I see is scorn and jealousy. I'm seeing opinions making Mclaren the villain, opinions that accusing of cheating, opinions that accuse Mclaren of racism etc etc . What do you think?

[Sevach]

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/will ... /10659488/

Mclaren style of not going for the kill in terms of floor design has been making waves.

Floors have been notoriously sensitive in this era, upper surface aero much more predictable and likely to bring the predicted improvements without setbacks.
Mclaren found a good floor that works and hasn't tried tune it to find extra performance(so far), will they finally break this mold and go for broke at COTA?

[Waz]

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/will ... /10659488/

Mclaren style of not going for the kill in terms of floor design has been making waves.

Floors have been notoriously sensitive in this era, upper surface aero much more predictable and likely to bring the predicted improvements without setbacks.
Mclaren found a good floor that works and hasn't tried tune it to find extra performance(so far), will they finally break this mold and go for broke at COTA?

It's an interesting challenge in these regs. Because of the simplified suspension, there is now such a thing as too much downforce.

They're having a good run, and should probably hold off until they get beaten by Red Bull with both cars. Every time a team introduces an upgrade that doesn't work, it pulls them back for 3 to 4 races while they figure it out.

[Big Tea]

You know I was wondering now that we are on an one month break since the newest GP. Is being top dog always followed by scorn from others or are there double standards and hypocrisy? I remember hearing all those years how good of a job Andrian Newey and Red Bull did and how others should do better. The same with Mercedes of how they made such a good job with the car and the engine and the rest should be better. Now that Mclaren is top all I see is scorn and jealousy. I'm seeing opinions making Mclaren the villain, opinions that accusing of cheating, opinions that accuse Mclaren of racism etc etc . What do you think?

I always remember Murry walker saying back in the red and white days - Its mclaren against the world and the world does not know what it is taking on.

What goes around comes around, its all cyclic (well, for the top handful anyway)

[Emag]

You know I was wondering now that we are on an one month break since the newest GP. Is being top dog always followed by scorn from others or are there double standards and hypocrisy? I remember hearing all those years how good of a job Andrian Newey and Red Bull did and how others should do better. The same with Mercedes of how they made such a good job with the car and the engine and the rest should be better. Now that Mclaren is top all I see is scorn and jealousy. I'm seeing opinions making Mclaren the villain, opinions that accusing of cheating, opinions that accuse Mclaren of racism etc etc . What do you think?

I always remember Murry walker saying back in the red and white days - Its mclaren against the world and the world does not know what it is taking on.

What goes around comes around, its all cyclic (well, for the top handful anyway)

McLaren had been slacking and they were nowhere near where they should be. More than a decade wasted soiling the name that was so hardly fought to be made and I blame Ron Dennis for all of it. Imagine having Ferrari wasting away on the midfield and back of the grid for 10 years.

Whoever was responsible (Ron) should be ashamed for allowing such a humongous downfall.

[Big Tea]

You know I was wondering now that we are on an one month break since the newest GP. Is being top dog always followed by scorn from others or are there double standards and hypocrisy? I remember hearing all those years how good of a job Andrian Newey and Red Bull did and how others should do better. The same with Mercedes of how they made such a good job with the car and the engine and the rest should be better. Now that Mclaren is top all I see is scorn and jealousy. I'm seeing opinions making Mclaren the villain, opinions that accusing of cheating, opinions that accuse Mclaren of racism etc etc . What do you think?

I always remember Murry walker saying back in the red and white days - Its mclaren against the world and the world does not know what it is taking on.

What goes around comes around, its all cyclic (well, for the top handful anyway)

McLaren had been slacking and they were nowhere near where they should be. More than a decade wasted soiling the name that was so hardly fought to be made and I blame Ron Dennis for all of it. Imagine having Ferrari wasting away on the midfield and back of the grid for 10 years.

Whoever was responsible (Ron) should be ashamed for allowing such a humongous downfall.

Without Ron Dennis there would have been no Mclaren. The were a small also ran before he got stuck in with Project 4

Edit-hilights here https://www.f1technical.net/f1db/teams/79

[Emag]

I always remember Murry walker saying back in the red and white days - Its mclaren against the world and the world does not know what it is taking on.

What goes around comes around, its all cyclic (well, for the top handful anyway)

McLaren had been slacking and they were nowhere near where they should be. More than a decade wasted soiling the name that was so hardly fought to be made and I blame Ron Dennis for all of it. Imagine having Ferrari wasting away on the midfield and back of the grid for 10 years.

Whoever was responsible (Ron) should be ashamed for allowing such a humongous downfall.

Without Ron Dennis there would have been no Mclaren. The were a small also ran before he got stuck in with Project 4

Edit-hilights here https://www.f1technical.net/f1db/teams/79

It doesn’t matter what you achieve in the past. If you fail to adapt and perform you should recognise your shortcomings and step down. It’s exactly what happens to most old people in general. They cannot comprehend their ways falling into obsolescence, but it is the way of the world.

Ron failed to manage the team at the level that it is required to perform at the top of the modern age of Formula 1. He was sleeping while Mercedes invested close to 1 billion euros late 2000s early 2010s and he was convinced his team would continue to perform the way he wanted it to perform simply because he was managing it that way in a very demanding manner.

Then he rushed Honda into the sport underestimating the level of investment needed to perform in the hybrid era. The pressure was put on Honda while McLaren was left operating with outdated infrastructure and organization.

By the time Zak came along and initiated much needed investments and changes in the organizational structure and facilities (which started early 2018), McLaren had fallen so low operationally, it was embarrassing to perform the way they were while barring that name.

As I said, just because you were detrimental to the success of the team, that doesn’t give you a guilt-free pass when you lead it to obscurity while focused on your old ways.

And Ron was a peculiar person. His way worked when F1 was less complicated on a technical level, but his failure to adapt is a big part of why McLaren suffered the 2013-2023 slump.

[mwillems]

All teams have ups and downs, it's how it is. Ferrari had many poor years before Schumacher, Mercedes have ups and downs in their history in the sport. Other teams have come and gone. Probably the only team who has consistently been fast once they got up to speed, if not always the fastest, are Red Bull in their comparatively short history of the sport. And it is much the same as every other sport, when teams like Manchester United and Barcelona can have periods of struggles. The mark of the big team is not that it doesn't struggle, but that it can come back, and we have.

We've been in F1 since our first entry in Monaco in 1966, in our 58th year. We've won 1 in every 7 constructors titles since being in the sport (14%) and if we win it this year, 1 in every 6.5 (15.5%). We're doing OK