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Either way he seems a lot faster than Stroll.

No Soft run for either, can they keep those softs for qualy?

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I agree with others that Stroll really isn't a good barometer to measure Fred by, and I don't see Mr. Stroll booting his son from his own team. Fred's career end will be determined by Max, imo. Man, it would be such an incredible shame if Max takes Fred's seat the very year he could have driven a Newey car. Fred really hasn't had fate on his side since he left Renault.
Watching F1 since 1986.

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Seanspeed wrote:
05 Apr 2025, 02:12
ispano6 wrote:
05 Apr 2025, 00:29
diffuser wrote:
04 Apr 2025, 22:22


Right but some people just want to blame his age. I'm not saying it's true. Just saying that's what people are gonna say. The end of the day, I'll will wait for Alonso to say it.
Maybe it is presbyopia?
That's incredibly speculative, but I will say I found this recent Youtube video about eyesight and athletes pretty interesting. Nothing conclusive, but it's something that's potentially gone overlooked for a long time.

It's remarkable how quickly the speculation is escalating. In that section of the track, one must rely on estimating the car's length, as there is no visibility. It's not related to any visual cue or eyesight, but rather a matter of pure GUESSWORK.

He tried wider lines, simply for an attempt to extract the maximum performance from the car. There's no need for undue stress or overreaction... let's chill

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Chuckjr wrote:
05 Apr 2025, 07:02
I agree with others that Stroll really isn't a good barometer to measure Fred by, and I don't see Mr. Stroll booting his son from his own team. Fred's career end will be determined by Max, imo. Man, it would be such an incredible shame if Max takes Fred's seat the very year he could have driven a Newey car. Fred really hasn't had fate on his side since he left Renault.
That's not going to happen

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Waz wrote:
04 Apr 2025, 22:19
wiktor977 wrote:
03 Apr 2025, 13:42
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03 Apr 2025, 10:27


As someone with first hand knowledge with celebrity sales pitches, that number is just an eye catching potential earnings for Max and not necessarily even that unrealistic without knowing the timeline. If its over 10 years, its not impossible considering his earnings are already in the $80-90m/yr range as per most public information. If AM made a recruitment pitch to Max, this is how they would've presented it to him apart from all the other attractions. It would include everything from salary to endorsements, etc.
Salary that he makes in RB is huge but only because of the titles he won there and the bonuses that come with it. With Max, there are no guarantees that he will be as fast as he is now in a car with different characteristics. I would say that big teams would be willing to pay him $45-55mil max at the moment.
This is his 10th year in F1 and third set of regulations. His car this year is not designed by Newey and his car last year had very little input from Newey, according to Newey himself and leading to him leaving RBR for Aston Martin.

What else should Max do?
Who knows but does he want to drive outside P10? I don't think so. If 2026 car is great and fighting for podiums, Alonso will stay. If 2026 car is bad, Alonso probably won't stay but is that what Max wants? Drive a bad car?

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S3 and slow corners in general seem to be a big problem.

Tyre wear will be terrible again I guess. A lot of teams were able to run more fast laps on softs, AMR not, already in FP1.

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Anthony Davidson with an interesting observation looking at Alonso’s lap. Alonso tried to use a bit of inside curb but the car doesn’t like curbs. Alonso was basically driving that quick and not able to use the curbs. Not bad

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1 and a half tenth would got us into Q3.... F1TV said that ALO tried to anticipate the wind by taking a little more corner, but the car did not respond to that. That the car he has, can't do more than try desperate moves to try to find more lap time. Sometimes it pays off, sometimes we pay a high price.

For notice, same at F1TV said Piastri did the same and lost a bit the rear-end. Luckily, he managed adjusted it.

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Nikosar wrote:
05 Apr 2025, 08:58
1 and a half tenth would got us into Q3.... F1TV said that ALO tried to anticipate the wind by taking a little more corner, but the car did not respond to that. That the car he has, can't do more than try desperate moves to try to find more lap time. Sometimes it pays off, sometimes we pay a high price.

For notice, same at F1TV said Piastri did the same and lost a bit the rear-end. Luckily, he managed adjusted it.
Alonso made mistake again,he missed the gears by +1 so he had to --- back.

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wiktor977 wrote:
05 Apr 2025, 08:23
Chuckjr wrote:
05 Apr 2025, 07:02
I agree with others that Stroll really isn't a good barometer to measure Fred by, and I don't see Mr. Stroll booting his son from his own team. Fred's career end will be determined by Max, imo. Man, it would be such an incredible shame if Max takes Fred's seat the very year he could have driven a Newey car. Fred really hasn't had fate on his side since he left Renault.
That's not going to happen
yeah, even if alonso didnt have a contract for next year, why tf would max go to aston martin for 26, when he could either go to merc or wait until 27 after there is a better idea where he can fight for a championship with any team on the grid? if alonso went and told max "hey im probably not going to feel like racing in 2026" max may would look at the seat, but max isnt going to come in and have them end alonsos career so he can jump into a car that may end up like redbull in 2014. a good chassis and an engine that couldnt compete. this speculation that max would even do that is just dumb. if max goes to AM its gonna be 27 or later.
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I just want Alonso to get a good car again so he can win some races at the very least. Anyway heard an update is coming for Bahrain

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RedNEO wrote:
05 Apr 2025, 09:39
I just want Alonso to get a good car again so he can win some races at the very least. Anyway heard an update is coming for Bahrain
thats what was posted a few pages back that seemed legit. i havent heard anything else besides that though.

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OnEcRiTiCaL wrote:
05 Apr 2025, 09:19
Nikosar wrote:
05 Apr 2025, 08:58
1 and a half tenth would got us into Q3.... F1TV said that ALO tried to anticipate the wind by taking a little more corner, but the car did not respond to that. That the car he has, can't do more than try desperate moves to try to find more lap time. Sometimes it pays off, sometimes we pay a high price.

For notice, same at F1TV said Piastri did the same and lost a bit the rear-end. Luckily, he managed adjusted it.
Alonso made mistake again,he missed the gears by +1 so he had to --- back.
You see it as mistake. Verstappen in the post qualy said « I thought I was going to crash like 5 times that lap ».

They just push to the absolute limit driving, try wider lines, different angle of entrance and more curbes and hope that the car stays on track.

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zoroastar wrote:
05 Apr 2025, 10:01
RedNEO wrote:
05 Apr 2025, 09:39
I just want Alonso to get a good car again so he can win some races at the very least. Anyway heard an update is coming for Bahrain
thats what was posted a few pages back that seemed legit. i havent heard anything else besides that though.
Hard to see the team bringing a significant new package at Bahrain. The team is focused on carrying out a major package of improvements to be incorporated in Europe. As it is closer to factory.

Pedro de la Rosa said Aston Martin does not expect to bring major improvements for the next races, at least for the Italian GP, which will be held on May 18th in Imola.

So I think Bahrain rumours could be specific for the circuit. We will see.

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zoroastar wrote:
05 Apr 2025, 09:22
wiktor977 wrote:
05 Apr 2025, 08:23
Chuckjr wrote:
05 Apr 2025, 07:02
I agree with others that Stroll really isn't a good barometer to measure Fred by, and I don't see Mr. Stroll booting his son from his own team. Fred's career end will be determined by Max, imo. Man, it would be such an incredible shame if Max takes Fred's seat the very year he could have driven a Newey car. Fred really hasn't had fate on his side since he left Renault.
That's not going to happen
yeah, even if alonso didnt have a contract for next year, why tf would max go to aston martin for 26, when he could either go to merc or wait until 27 after there is a better idea where he can fight for a championship with any team on the grid? if alonso went and told max "hey im probably not going to feel like racing in 2026" max may would look at the seat, but max isnt going to come in and have them end alonsos career so he can jump into a car that may end up like redbull in 2014. a good chassis and an engine that couldnt compete. this speculation that max would even do that is just dumb. if max goes to AM its gonna be 27 or later.
True but I don't think Max will go to Aston in 2027 because it all depends on how good Aston will be next year. If they are fighting for wins Alonso will stay if not Max will not choose a team that is not fighting for wins. Mercedes is most probably his next team if he ends up leaving Red Bull