2025 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[DJ Downforce]

Ultra sensitive to ride height.
Doesn't ride kerbs well.
Very stiff suspension.
No tire wear advantage.

Sounds a lot like 2022 and 2023 Mercedes that Loic Serra worked on, doesn't it? Given he joined in autumn 2024 I am 99% sure this is a coincidence. But not 100%.

My point is that it does not give me a lot of confidence that these problems will be solved in a timely manner.

Absolute nonsense. The 2022 and 2023 Mercedes were well known for their good tire wear. And I don't recall kerb riding being an issue for the 2023 W14??

[Luscion]

Ultra sensitive to ride height.
Doesn't ride kerbs well.
Very stiff suspension.
No tire wear advantage.

Sounds a lot like 2022 and 2023 Mercedes that Loic Serra worked on, doesn't it? Given he joined in autumn 2024 I am 99% sure this is a coincidence. But not 100%.

My point is that it does not give me a lot of confidence that these problems will be solved in a timely manner.

Absolute nonsense. The 2022 and 2023 Mercedes were well known for their good tire wear. And I don't recall kerb riding being an issue for the 2023 W14??

Yup the W13 was a draggy mess of a car but it was very kind on its tires during the race, same with the W14 to a lesser extent and yea i dont think kerb riding was a weakness, it was slow speed and rear end instability, Serra also disagreed with the direction of the W13 & 14. on top of that blaming Serra when he joined the team in October when most of the car was already done is silly. iirc the upgrades coming to Bahrain are his first changes to the car

[DJ Downforce]

Disappointing from Lewis

He never looked comfortable in Q3. Could the impeding incident of caused damage to his underfloor going over the kerbs?

A good start tomorrow required

[Luscion]

Disappointing from Lewis

He never looked comfortable in Q3. Could the impeding incident of caused damage to his underfloor going over the kerbs?

A good start tomorrow required

Lewis in the post quali interview said they're running the car higher than they'd like, him and Charles went in different setup directions and he had understeer he couldnt dial out

[deadhead]

Suzuka is a great test for F1 cars and the SF25 comes short overall but maybe it’s
salvageable with some upgrades?

[Xyz22]

Leclerc is like 0.3s behind the McL with Norris and Piastri not making a very good lap.
Lewis is P8.


More or less expected. I thought Russell was going to be ahead but he probably bottled it. Leclerc also pretty much implied that they are still “testing” a lot. To me there is no way they can improve enough for fighting for the WDC/WCC.

[DGP123]

Leclerc also pretty much implied that they are still “testing” a lot. To me there is no way they can improve enough for fighting for the WDC/WCC.

Disappointing.

Unfortunately, they took a risk and it has not worked out. The year looks done, and any thought of a WDC/WCC would be total delusion. Still an important year of learning, that will be crucial for next season.

[ScuderiaLeo]

Virtually nothing was realistically left on the table for Leclerc. Being ahead of Russell is an outstanding effort. It really sucks that it was only worth P4 from the car, but Leclerc can still be pleased with how he performed. Let's see if any of the race pace from Shanghai makes it to Suzuka, their long runs yesterday weren't great.

Hamilton hasn't looked comfortable this weekend, but in Shanghai we saw Leclerc make a huge step forward between quali and the race. Maybe we'll see something similar here. Tomorrow will be damage limitation like another individual said, let's see what they can salvage.

It sounds like based on both driver's comments and Vasseur's that once again some condition change in Q3 caught them by surprise and created unpredictable behavior in the car. I swear they said the same thing the last two weekends too...

[ringo]

I think Qualy is a compromise for the race.
When the fuel goes in and the cars get heavy theyre gonna need that rideheight to avoid wearing the plank.
Charles is in the best position to make progresz. Lewis i feel is not yet trusting in the car. His sector 3 seemed weak all weekend.
Overall it doesn't look good. Ferrari not firing on all cylinders like McLaren or even Redbull.
Both those teams obviously know their car very well to tweak optimally for qualifying.

[Xyz22]

The ranking in qualifying for me was:

- McL
- MB
- RB
- Ferrari

Ferrari is very good in high speed, mediocre in medium speed and terrible in low speed.

Norris completely --- up the last chicane while Piastri completely --- up the first sector. The real gap to McL is over 0.5s.

[f1316]

Virtually nothing was realistically left on the table for Leclerc. Being ahead of Russell is an outstanding effort. It really sucks that it was only worth P4 from the car, but Leclerc can still be pleased with how he performed. Let's see if any of the race pace from Shanghai makes it to Suzuka, their long runs yesterday weren't great.

Hamilton hasn't looked comfortable this weekend, but in Shanghai we saw Leclerc make a huge step forward between quali and the race. Maybe we'll see something similar here. Tomorrow will be damage limitation like another individual said, let's see what they can salvage.

It sounds like based on both driver's comments and Vasseur's that once again some condition change in Q3 caught them by surprise and created unpredictable behavior in the car. I swear they said the same thing the last two weekends too...

You’re right about it being an outstanding effort and likely P3 was out of reach, but you still can’t help but think not having a final run can’t have been helpful. I’m not sure if he was out of new tyres or what, but other cars improved - and the first run Charles was right there with Max - so I actually think he could have found a little more time if he was able to do his best lap at that time on the session.

Still, it was a great job by him and especially if the car is still needing to be run a bit higher than they’d like, that’s understandable to have a 3 tenth gap. Someone said McLaren didn’t do good lap: Lando was very clear he’d got everything out of the car on the final lap, so I think it’s representative. I have zero clue what any of the race pace looks like, but let’s hope there’s a chance to somehow snag a podium.

[Xyz22]

You can really see from the telemetry the understeer Leclerc had in turn 6 and the dunlop corner compared to Max. He couldn't do it flat.

[Farnborough]

You can really see from the telemetry the understeer Leclerc had in turn 6 and the dunlop corner compared to Max. He couldn't do it flat.

Perhaps there is some store in structural rigidity being questioned, from 3rd party stories.

A distinctive attribute of lowered torsional "chassis" performance is as described here. Ultimately it fails to "enact" the geometry thats supposed to be applied through suspension design.

Trackside engineering response is to raise spring rates ...... which isn't a substitute, makes some changes but often to narrow the performance envelope. It CAN luck into a opportunistic window of tyre temperature and performance related to that, but superfast in its disappearance outside of that.

Higher rated springs Ultimately ask more and more of chassis torsional peak, making the answer to raise that through structural consideration and not fully accessible whatever spring and suspension changes are made.

Comments on gearbox and looking at the gears/shafts/reliability are not where it's at, usually. Just a consequence.

Unless Ferrari are different, these cars use a "exoskeleton" rear structure from PU backwards, this to take all chassis loading in that part of structural input.

Tentatively, the overall picture looks in this relm, the other principle components being tub and PU itself.

[Xyz22]

You can really see from the telemetry the understeer Leclerc had in turn 6 and the dunlop corner compared to Max. He couldn't do it flat.

Perhaps there is some store in structural rigidity being questioned, from 3rd party stories.

A distinctive attribute of lowered torsional "chassis" performance is as described here. Ultimately it fails to "enact" the geometry thats supposed to be applied through suspension design.

Trackside engineering response is to raise spring rates ...... which isn't a substitute, makes some changes but often to narrow the performance envelope. It CAN luck into a opportunistic window of tyre temperature and performance related to that, but superfast in its disappearance outside of that.

Higher rated springs Ultimately ask more and more of chassis torsional peak, making the answer to raise that through structural consideration and not fully accessible whatever spring and suspension changes are made.

Comments on gearbox and looking at the gears/shafts/reliability are not where it's at, usually. Just a consequence.

Unless Ferrari are different, these cars use a "exoskeleton" rear structure from PU backwards, this to take all chassis loading in that part of structural input.

Tentatively, the overall picture looks in this relm, the other principle components being tub and PU itself.

I have no idea where the real issue is.
What we know is that the SF 25 is around 0.45s slower than the best car. The understeer in low speed is also absolutely clear even from random onboards.

[Luscion]

You can really see from the telemetry the understeer Leclerc had in turn 6 and the dunlop corner compared to Max. He couldn't do it flat.

Perhaps there is some store in structural rigidity being questioned, from 3rd party stories.

A distinctive attribute of lowered torsional "chassis" performance is as described here. Ultimately it fails to "enact" the geometry thats supposed to be applied through suspension design.

Trackside engineering response is to raise spring rates ...... which isn't a substitute, makes some changes but often to narrow the performance envelope. It CAN luck into a opportunistic window of tyre temperature and performance related to that, but superfast in its disappearance outside of that.

Higher rated springs Ultimately ask more and more of chassis torsional peak, making the answer to raise that through structural consideration and not fully accessible whatever spring and suspension changes are made.

Comments on gearbox and looking at the gears/shafts/reliability are not where it's at, usually. Just a consequence.

Unless Ferrari are different, these cars use a "exoskeleton" rear structure from PU backwards, this to take all chassis loading in that part of structural input.

Tentatively, the overall picture looks in this relm, the other principle components being tub and PU itself.

I have no idea where the real issue is.
What we know is that the SF 25 is around 0.45s slower than the best car. The understeer in low speed is also absolutely clear even from random onboards.

Both drivers are suffering from a lack of rotation and understeer, that could be from a frontend thats too strong no?