Personally I was very motivated to see Lawson in F1. But after this race and later seeing Lawson give Perez the middle finger...
I completely lost the respect I had for him.
I agree as well. First disrespecting Alonso and then Perez. The guy is not nearly as good as he thinks of himself.
He didn't do anything wrong in either case on track tbf. Alonso and Perez just didn't enjoy getting outraced and were the ones who could've from their position of experience been the better men but they'd rather start a war of words off track.
He made a mess with Alonso from the beginning of the race in Austin, not just that one incident everyone talked about. In Mexico, I'm referring to the middle finger to another Red Bull driver. This stuff is very strange. He's overcompensating for someone who just arrived to start their season. Colapinto easily left a better impression without all the antics. I'd rather see Colapinto or Sainz in the Red Bull.organic wrote: ↑28 Oct 2024, 04:34He didn't do anything wrong in either case on track tbf. Alonso and Perez just didn't enjoy getting outraced and were the ones who could've from their position of experience been the better men
What? Ricciardo has been subpar for 18 months; if anything ricciardo's exit was far overdue and not at all sudden? Also how can Lawson be a guilty party in that, given the reason was simply lack of performance?AR3-GP wrote: ↑28 Oct 2024, 04:36He made a mess with Alonso from the beginning of the race in Austin, not just that one incident everyone talked about. In Mexico, I'm referring to the middle finger to another Red Bull driver. This stuff is very strange. He's overcompensating for someone who just arrived to start their season. Colapinto easily left a better impression without all the antics. I'd rather see Colapinto or Sainz in the Red Bull.
I also just don't like how this all went down with Ricciardo exiting suddenly. Lawson is not as innocent as some want to think. There's a bad feeling here and I'm suspicious of him.
I don't think Marko was too happy with it. He blamed Lawson for the incident. The move itself I didn't mind but the middle finger to Perez wasn't great.organic wrote: ↑28 Oct 2024, 04:34He didn't do anything wrong in either case on track tbf. Alonso and Perez just didn't enjoy getting outraced and were the ones who could've from their position of experience been the better men but they'd rather start a war of words off track.
When other drivers have come into the sport and ruffled feathers of veterans similarly, they get over it
That's pure narrative. I watched the onboards of Alonso and Lawson for several laps at Austin, and several times he chopped in front of Alonso in the middle of corner transitions in S3, almost taking off Alonso's front wing. The only reason there wasn't contact was because of Alonso backing off. It was unnecessary aggression for 15th place in a sprint race.organic wrote: ↑28 Oct 2024, 04:34He didn't do anything wrong in either case on track tbf. Alonso and Perez just didn't enjoy getting outraced and were the ones who could've from their position of experience been the better men but they'd rather start a war of words off track.
When other drivers have come into the sport and ruffled feathers of veterans similarly, they get over it
No, that is good racing. We saw so many drivers simply sleeping in S3 and getting overtaken on the inside. You simply need to defend the inside there.TyreSlip wrote: ↑28 Oct 2024, 06:40That's pure narrative. I watched the onboards of Alonso and Lawson for several laps at Austin, and several times he chopped in front of Alonso in the middle of corner transitions in S3, almost taking off Alonso's front wing. The only reason there wasn't contact was because of Alonso backing off. It was unnecessary aggression for 15th place in a sprint race.organic wrote: ↑28 Oct 2024, 04:34He didn't do anything wrong in either case on track tbf. Alonso and Perez just didn't enjoy getting outraced and were the ones who could've from their position of experience been the better men but they'd rather start a war of words off track.
When other drivers have come into the sport and ruffled feathers of veterans similarly, they get over it
Lawson is very pretentious with his attitude.
I agree, that the middle finger is definitely not the right thing. He is in danger, similar to Yuki, to completely loose his head on rants like that. He should concentrate.
Strawman argument. I said there were risky chops that happened over several laps. They were not shown on TV, and I can understand Alonso's built-up frustration over them. Why are you referencing only the switchback you saw on the replay as the basis for your conclusion? Oh yes, Alonso was mad because he was "schooled" in how to drive.basti313 wrote: ↑28 Oct 2024, 10:36No, that is good racing. We saw so many drivers simply sleeping in S3 and getting overtaken on the inside. You simply need to defend the inside there.
The opposite could be seen, when Ocon passed Alo and Law, due to the error, Law could not defend the inside.
Why do people here think that defending the inside is poor driving?
Alonso's updated car had no traction in Austin, especially off turn 11. The team reverted to the older spec car for Mexico because the Austin updates were a failure. I'm sure Alonso could have easily passed Lawson on the straight if he simply drove better. Nothing to do with his car being a distant 9th best in race pace at Austin.
Oh, the good old "not shown on TV" argumentTyreSlip wrote: ↑28 Oct 2024, 12:59Strawman argument. I said there were risky chops that happened over several laps. They were not shown on TV, and I can understand Alonso's built-up frustration over them.basti313 wrote: ↑28 Oct 2024, 10:36No, that is good racing. We saw so many drivers simply sleeping in S3 and getting overtaken on the inside. You simply need to defend the inside there.
The opposite could be seen, when Ocon passed Alo and Law, due to the error, Law could not defend the inside.
Why do people here think that defending the inside is poor driving?
I am not referencing to the switchback, that was simply excellent driving. Actually what Lando should have done with Max.
What do you want to tell with this? Alo was slower but still, the error is on Lawson not waving by the slower car?TyreSlip wrote: ↑28 Oct 2024, 12:59Alonso's updated car had no traction in Austin, especially off turn 11. The team reverted to the older spec car for Mexico because the Austin updates were a failure. I'm sure Alonso could have easily passed Lawson on the straight if he simply drove better. Nothing to do with his car being a distant 9th best in race pace at Austin.
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/laws ... /10667894/Lawson apologises for giving Perez the middle finger at F1's Mexico GP
Liam Lawson has apologised to Sergio Perez for showing him the middle finger during their intense battle in Formula 1’s Mexico Grand Prix.
Jonathan Noble
Reflecting on that behaviour afterwards, Lawson said it was born out of frustration but admitted it was something that he should not have done.
“It's obviously one of those in the moment things,” he explained. “He spent half the lap blocking me, trying to ruin my race, so I was upset.
“But it's not an excuse. I shouldn't have done it, and I apologise for that.”
Lawson’s actions, both in being aggressive with Perez and then showing him the finger, did not impress Red Bull motorsport advisor Helmut Marko.
Marko told ORF: “[It was] an unnecessary collision, where I see Lawson as being more to blame.”
Asked if it was good that Lawson got his elbows out, at least, Marko replied: “If it had been someone else, yes. But not the sister team.”
Except Marko was critical of Lawson said he was more to blame in the Perez incident.aMessageToCharlie wrote: ↑28 Oct 2024, 14:49I'm surprised to see so much backlash against Lawson here. I thought he did a brilliant job and similarly to Piastri and Colapinto, he made sure that he wont be put into the pushover category any time soon.
The aggression is smart and also justified since he is literally racing for his career. This is at least as important as a championship campaign for him.
Wasn't it Perrez who again massively underdelivered, did clumsy in wheel to wheel fighting and then called his 'sister-team mate' an idiot multiple times and then waited for him on the inlap to again come onto him? The middle finger is rude but not unjustified. He's not there to make friends but to kick out Perrez and to eventually replace Verstappen (the definition of an aggressive racer, who in turn is the heir to Vettel, who also was formerly known as being an agressive bully kind of driver). This is exactly what I would be looking for in Marco's shoes.
Well, what else should he say? And knowing Marko, what he said was rather mild. He even spared Perez.
Yes, he should stay focused. Middle finger is one clear way to say "I am not focused".
I do not know how you sum this up. If I saw it correctly it was two incidents:aMessageToCharlie wrote: ↑28 Oct 2024, 14:49Wasn't it Perrez who again massively underdelivered, did clumsy in wheel to wheel fighting and then called his 'sister-team mate' an idiot multiple times and then waited for him on the inlap to again come onto him?
basti313 wrote: ↑28 Oct 2024, 16:18Well, what else should he say? And knowing Marko, what he said was rather mild. He even spared Perez.
What he actually would like is that if a RB sees a RedBull in the mirror is to move over....that is not possible to say. And as you say, he wants Lawson to fight, to see how he is doing. So he can not say to Lawson "move over if you see Perez in the race for P11".
But same goes for Perez on the second get together.
Yes, he should stay focused. Middle finger is one clear way to say "I am not focused".