2022 Austrian Grand Prix - Spielberg, July 08 - 10

[chrisc90]

A total F**k up of the stewarding there. I mean how long is the interval between sessions? Must be a good 5-10minutes. You can guarantee staff at the RB camp will be looking through everyone's lap to make sure they are all within the lines.
In all fairness, RB should be re-allocated the tyres they 'lost' during the session of Q3 if they used fresh softs.

[chrisc90]

Stewards incompetency also screwed over Gasly who could have ran in Q3

[Gillian]

Strange how they place him on P13, he clearly participated in Q3 and they do not deny that nor cancel his participation, they just deleted his times.
The top 10 is made up of drivers who participated in Q3, so he should be 10th.

Because they deleted his times of Q2 too and then looked where he lined up. It's as if he never got to Q3.

[Gillian]

A total F**k up of the stewarding there. I mean how long is the interval between sessions? Must be a good 5-10minutes. You can guarantee staff at the RB camp will be looking through everyone's lap to make sure they are all within the lines.
In all fairness, RB should be re-allocated the tyres they 'lost' during the session of Q3 if they used fresh softs.

They're own explanation is as follows:

This is a consequence of having many situations to examine in each session,” they added. The stewards recorded a total of 16 track limits infringements at four different corners, excluding Perez’s

[chrisc90]

A total F**k up of the stewarding there. I mean how long is the interval between sessions? Must be a good 5-10minutes. You can guarantee staff at the RB camp will be looking through everyone's lap to make sure they are all within the lines.
In all fairness, RB should be re-allocated the tyres they 'lost' during the session of Q3 if they used fresh softs.

They're own explanation is as follows:

This is a consequence of having many situations to examine in each session,” they added. The stewards recorded a total of 16 track limits infringements at four different corners, excluding Perez’s

Probably not acceptable. I mean how many eyes are looking at track limits. Even some members on here seen it on the TV from 1 camera angle. Shocking if you ask me.

[Oleo]

Strange how they place him on P13, he clearly participated in Q3 and they do not deny that nor cancel his participation, they just deleted his times.
The top 10 is made up of drivers who participated in Q3, so he should be 10th.

Because they deleted his times of Q2 too and then looked where he lined up. It's as if he never got to Q3.

Sure but the penalty is that his times are deleted, not that they cancelled his participation in Q3, the grid formation regulations leave little room for interpretation for this strange case. Perez participated in Q3, but set no time as they are deleted, so he should be 10th.

[chrisc90]

Strange how they place him on P13, he clearly participated in Q3 and they do not deny that nor cancel his participation, they just deleted his times.
The top 10 is made up of drivers who participated in Q3, so he should be 10th.

Because they deleted his times of Q2 too and then looked where he lined up. It's as if he never got to Q3.

Sure but the penalty is that his times are deleted, not that they cancelled his participation in Q3, the grid formation regulations leave little room for interpretation for this strange case. Perez participated in Q3, but set no time as they are deleted, so he should be 10th.

Indeed a very strange way. Thats like a driver getting a spot in Q3, then someone picks up track limits in Q1 and they drop into the bottom of the grid.

[Big Tea]

W13 fans:
So the temps have to be just right, the suspension has to be just right, the wind has to be just right, the track has to be just right, the floor has to be just right, the tarmac can’t be bumpy, has to be a true race track, and our rivals need to change their floors, THEN the W13 will be fast. Lol. That’s called a flawed car, and it’s still a second down on race pace. You really think the RB or Ferrari are going to slow as the season wears on? Were any of you F1 fans before 2015?

1 Red Bull 328
2 Ferrari 265
3 Mercedes 204
4 McLaren 73
5 Alpine 67
6 Alfa Romeo 51
7 Alpha Tauri 27
8 Haas 20
9 Aston Martin 18
10 Williams 3

How can it be anything other than the 3rd best car?

Is it the best, obviously not, just as obvious it in not the worst by at least 7.

[InsaneX_Badger]

I am very surprised how long it took for the stewards to notice that Perez had gone wide and was further punished for it when it wasn't his fault. Because as many have said he has lost two more sets of softs so restricts him more in term of tyre strategy.

[Chuckjr]

W13 fans:
So the temps have to be just right, the suspension has to be just right, the wind has to be just right, the track has to be just right, the floor has to be just right, the tarmac can’t be bumpy, has to be a true race track, and our rivals need to change their floors, THEN the W13 will be fast. Lol. That’s called a flawed car, and it’s still a second down on race pace. You really think the RB or Ferrari are going to slow as the season wears on? Were any of you F1 fans before 2015?

1 Red Bull 328
2 Ferrari 265
3 Mercedes 204
4 McLaren 73
5 Alpine 67
6 Alfa Romeo 51
7 Alpha Tauri 27
8 Haas 20
9 Aston Martin 18
10 Williams 3

How can it be anything other than the 3rd best car?

Is it the best, obviously not, just as obvious it in not the worst by at least 7.

I’m sure Lewis and George are as satisfied with third in race pace as you are with that list. Keep assuaging reality, it helps coping with a flawed design. Saw Ferrari fans do it for years with their engine starting in 2015. Funny how life repeats itself....

[Big Tea]

W13 fans:
So the temps have to be just right, the suspension has to be just right, the wind has to be just right, the track has to be just right, the floor has to be just right, the tarmac can’t be bumpy, has to be a true race track, and our rivals need to change their floors, THEN the W13 will be fast. Lol. That’s called a flawed car, and it’s still a second down on race pace. You really think the RB or Ferrari are going to slow as the season wears on? Were any of you F1 fans before 2015?

1 Red Bull 328
2 Ferrari 265
3 Mercedes 204
4 McLaren 73
5 Alpine 67
6 Alfa Romeo 51
7 Alpha Tauri 27
8 Haas 20
9 Aston Martin 18
10 Williams 3

How can it be anything other than the 3rd best car?

Is it the best, obviously not, just as obvious it in not the worst by at least 7.

I’m sure Lewis and George are as satisfied with third in race pace as you are with that list. Keep assuaging reality, it helps coping with a flawed design. Saw Ferrari fans do it for years with their engine starting in 2015. Funny how life repeats itself....

Yeh, amazing, its been going on for 4 months now, there is no hope. May as well give up.

[Majk]

Sparks!!!
Did anyone see any sparks from The floor today? On any car!?

RB whos usually a firework?
Did everyone raise their car?

[dialtone]

Congrats to Max for what was a really good quali lap ultimately. Lots of interesting bits to read in this telemetry:



* Top speed has a very slight advantage for RBR of 2-3kph roughly, really small and probably not where RBR makes up the gains.
* S1 from RBR is good because VER really manages to be quick out of T1, on average VER is 6kph faster through that corner, even while braking earlier.
* Ferrari really managing to brake later in almost every corner and has an obvious advantage in high speed corners (>200kph), particularly in T6, T7 and T9, in T7 actually a small error from LEC causes him to lose minimum speed, but he still managed go through the corner faster than the RedBull.
* Leclerc also makes another error in T10 where he has a bit of oversteer before entering the corner that forces him to go full throttle much later than Verstappen. Maybe his tires were gone with the temperature cycle they had already been through before Russell went out.

Because Verstappen S1 and S2 times in his best lap weren't up to the previous attempt I went back to check his previous lap against Leclerc:



My advice to you is to open this graph and the previous graph in 2 tabs right next to one another and flip across them quickly. Here's what you'll see:

* VER lost a tiny bit of top speed
* Went through T1 much much faster, also he gained a lot more time in the straights against LEC despite being slower in T1, it's possible then they dialed up his front downforce a bit too between attempts, maybe also in response to Checo's complaints of understeer and tires not switching on. I think he was complaining about the same stuff through quali and the last lap just nailed the front setup.
* Every braking point in his following lap was just a bit better overall, for sure helped by higher front DF, Max really looked for the most he could get and even improved T10 slightly in the process.
* Just a good refinement job without mistakes.



Contrary to Leclerc's lap, these 2 are almost identical, maybe SAI is running slightly less downforce in the front compared to Leclerc, he prefers an under steery car after all, but SAI top speed is slightly higher than LEC and, by comparison, the cornering performance from SAI is slightly worse, but kind of the same as VER, where however again SAI loses the chance for pole is in T10, Verstappen really carried that corner solidly.

Now both Mercs went off and I was curious to see why:



I chose LEC to compare with HAM because LEC had the fastest speed in the corners where HAM went off. First comment is there's a slight top speed deficit, 3kph to Ferrari, so this is a 6kph speed deficit to RBR. 6kph starts to be somewhat noticeable since it eats into what you get from tow and DRS, so it's going to be hard for Merc to pass RBR on track, but maybe they can thanks to braking performance which seems on par with Ferrari's.

The crash happened in T7 and boy Ham took too much risk that corner this time, he was going too fast through it and the car simply couldn't handle it. This matches with what Toto Wolff said to the Austrian TV, wind probably didn't help but for reference to his previous Q2 lap:



HAM was going 11kph faster through T6 and was bordering on 20kph faster through T7. No matter the wind gusts, that's a lot to ask of the tyres. I suppose he noticed Mercs were losing most of their time in T6 and T7 and after he saw that he could do 11kph faster through T6 he tried if he could do better through T7 and lost it. He tried and there's no shame in that.

Let's see George:



So George has a bit more top speed penalty and the speed that RUS uses to go through T6 and T7, much slower than LEC, also shows how much beyond the limit HAM went to get the time out of the car. George's error is a bit more subtle, but he's trying to put down the pedal too fast in T10, you can see that it's even earlier than Charles, his speed trace starts to pick up speed before Charles was anywhere near the apex. In an attempt to anticipate the apex of the corner basically George had some bouncing due to kerb and the car wasn't stable enough for the throttle and putting the pedal down made it spin.

At the end of the day, both Merc drivers went out because they asked too much of the car.

No one knows race sim yet and tyre deg, we'll see tomorrow but FP2 is at 4am for me so I'll just enjoy the sprint race.

Cheers.

[chrisc90]

Congrats to Max for what was a really good quali lap ultimately. Lots of interesting bits to read in this telemetry:
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Epic post mate and a interesting read.

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[F1PuertoRico]

Why no one is talking about Max pole lap not been deleted??? Neither investigation