2024 Aston Martin | Aramco F1 Team

[peewon]

A new interesting statistic, from @formulamoments, is showing that if Lance Stroll scored 0 points in 2023 and 2024, Aston still would have finished 5th in the constructors championship !

Yet we had Krack saying “ there is not much difference between Alonso and Stroll”….

This season it wouldn't have made a difference if they had two Alonsos. They were a clear tier or two behind 4th. Krack has to talk Lance up for obvious reasons. I also dont think hes as terrible as some of the rhetoric around him. He needs things to be just right for him to reach his peak. If things arent perfect with the car, he can spiral.

[KimiRai]

Look at our future technical leader!

[diffuser]

The Saudis invest a lot of money into AMR with different companies (the day will come when they buy out Stroll I believe), that AMR can buy the best guys. Ma’aden is the latest example. Out of nothing the teams 2nd biggest sponsor next to Aramco.

Reports say that they were very keen that Newey joins the team and want VER badly once he is available. I bet if they are on the right path in 2026, VER will join the team and will earn a never seen amount of money. Mercedes or Ferrari all have to justify pay checks to different groups. Saudi money in comparison…

You're trying to predict what happens in 5 years time with AMR ownership, what's the point? Sooo many things can change between now and then.

[-wkst-]

What’s the point in writing anything regarding the future of AMR then?

There has been not only one rumor that they want to buy the team. Stroll won’t be here forever, the day will come he wants to make bank, as he did already with 1/5 of the teams shares.

[peewon]

What’s the point in writing anything regarding the future of AMR then?

There has been not only one rumor that they want to buy the team. Stroll won’t be here forever, the day will come he wants to make bank, as he did already with 1/5 of the teams shares.

Lawrence's ultimate motivation has always been to make Lance win. Stroll will most likely bide his time to see if he can get AM to 2014 Merc or 2022 RB level before he does anything crazy to directly help Lance. If (highly unlikely if) AM are clearly ahead of the field, I can see Lawrence opting to put someone like Yuki in with Lance, someone who he maybe able to beat (with team's help of course) without raising too many eyebrows. The shenanigans they pulled in junior series probably would attract strong criticism and public scrutiny in F1.

Otherwise F1 is an amazing business to be in right now. And more than that, owning an F1 team is a prestige thing as well. Only 11 teams in the world. And rich guys love having things others cant. It also gets you access to many people across the world. So Im not 100% sure he'll be to sell even if the Lance thing doesnt materialize.

[-wkst-]

F1 is currently an amazing business to be in, right. Buy low, sell high. Stroll sold already 1/5 of the team that he got most of his investments back. Yes, he is in F1 for his boy, but the team turned into a great investment, as he entered at the right time. Like he did it with his fashion brands, he wants to make money too…

Furthermore I don’t have the fear that there will be a garbage 2nd driver to favour STR. Newey and other high profile engineers, other shareholders and partners would never accept such a decision. That would destabilize the team. He would ruin more than he built over the years with such a decision.

[peewon]

F1 is currently an amazing business to be in, right. Buy low, sell high. Stroll sold already 1/5 of the team that he got most of his investments back. Yes, he is in F1 for his boy, but the team turned into a great investment, as he entered at the right time. Like he did it with his fashion brands, he wants to make money too…

Furthermore I don’t have the fear that there will be a garbage 2nd driver to favour STR. Newey and other high profile engineers, other shareholders and partners would never accept such a decision. That would destabilize the team. He would ruin more than he built over the years with such a decision.

He sells stake to generate cashflow for big expenditure. And he might even sell more going forward while maintaining control of the team. Before the cost cap you could sink an unlimited amount of money into F1. Now its loss limited. He might move on if the Lance project fails to materialize but I think the way F1 is growing and its cultural relevance he would like to be involved much longer.

If you look into some of the things his teams did in junior series, I think its extremely likely he will do anything if he thinks Lance has a chance. Engineers will care about constructors championships IMO and some might even see it as a flex to make someone like Lance WDC.

[diffuser]

What’s the point in writing anything regarding the future of AMR then?

There has been not only one rumor that they want to buy the team. Stroll won’t be here forever, the day will come he wants to make bank, as he did already with 1/5 of the teams shares.

In this case, you're trying to anticipate something that's gonna happen 5 maybe 10 to 15 years from now. Look at Red Bull Racing, Dietrich created a private company that owns it and his son owns like 49%. What's worse is you're trying to "read tea leaves" from today and are presuming those "tea leaves" will not have shifted by then. For all we know, the plan is that Lance takes over once he retires from driving(BTW, the team is owned by Lance, it is in Lance's name).

"Lawrence Stroll, the owner of Aston Martin and the Aston Martin Formula 1 (F1) team, has sold a minority stake in the F1 team to US private equity firm Arctos Partners. The deal values the F1 team at approximately £1 billion ($1.2 billion). "

The other thing is you're saying the Saudi's will buy it but when the Stroll sold 20% for 240 Million, it went to a "Arctos Partners". Arctos is a private investment firm NOT the Saudi's.I don´t have anything against the Saudi's I just don´t think it's worth talking about Stroll selling AMR when he is obviously so involve in it. It's like talking about Newey's replacement before he has even started!

[-wkst-]

Stroll sold 2024 another part of the company. Arctos Partners was in 2023 (I never said that this company belongs to the Saudis). HPS and Accel was in 2024 (also no Saudis). Please get at least the facts together, before you answer.

Like the Red Bull comparison. Absolutely not comparable to AMR. Mateschitz and the Thais own the Red Bull GmbH, which own a lot of sport teams, like RBR, for marketing reasons. Stroll and his investment in AMR is for money and personal reasons.

[diffuser]

Stroll sold 2024 another part of the company. Arctos Partners was in 2023 (I never said that this company belongs to the Saudis). HPS and Accel was in 2024 (also no Saudis). Please get at least the facts together, before you answer.

Like the Red Bull comparison. Absolutely not comparable to AMR. Mateschitz and the Thais own the Red Bull GmbH, which own a lot of sport teams, like RBR, for marketing reasons. Stroll and his investment in AMR is for money and personal reasons.

Aston Martin Stake Sale
Sale of Shares: The Aston Martin Formula One team is nearing a stake sale to two US funds, Accel and HPS Investment Partners, in a deal that would value it at between £1.5 billion and £2 billion.

Investment Details: Venture capital fund Accel and private credit manager HPS Investment Partners are set to invest “hundreds of millions of pounds” into the F1 team’s holding company.
Stake Sale: The deal would involve a stake sale of between 20% to 25% and is expected to be announced shortly.

If you notice he's selling parts of the Holding Company.....

Holding Company:
A type of business entity that primarily exists to hold and manage investments in other companies.
Owns more than half of another company’s stock, giving it control over that company’s operations.
Manages and controls its subsidiaries, including appointing and removing board members, directors, and other key personnel.
Has all ownership rights and duties over its subsidiaries.
Invests in various businesses through subsidiaries to lower risk, cut losses, and save on taxes.
Can use its big capital and reduce competition for the company.
May own multiple subsidiaries, exercising control over each.
Subsidiary Company:
A company that is owned by another company, known as the parent or holding company.
The parent company owns more than 50% of the subsidiary’s voting stock.
Operates independently, but is financially controlled by its parent company.
Major decisions taken by the parent company affect the subsidiary.
May have its own management team and directors, but is subject to the control or influence of the holding company.
Can be a wholly-owned subsidiary (100% owned) or a partially-owned subsidiary (more than 50% owned).
Key differences:

A holding company is a parent entity that owns and controls multiple subsidiaries, whereas a subsidiary is a single company owned by another company.
A holding company exercises control over its subsidiaries, whereas a subsidiary is controlled by its parent company.
A holding company’s primary purpose is to hold and manage investments, whereas a subsidiary’s primary purpose is to operate its own business.

[-wkst-]

I am working in the financial industries, I know quite well what a holding is and I also know quite well when someone has not that much clue. Do you even know the company structure of AMR limited? Serious question. Or do you even know what Private equity or venture capital companies try to achieve with this shares… they are going to sell them for more money…

[diffuser]

I am working in the financial industries, I know quite well what a holding is and I also know quite well when someone has not that much clue. Do you even know the company structure of AMR limited? Serious question. Or do you even know what Private equity or venture capital companies try to achieve with this shares… they are going to sell them for more money…

Well I just learned that they're no longer called AMR. They've been rebranded to ¨Aston Martin F1 Team¨ in 2018
You initially wrote " The Saudis invest a lot of money into AMR with different companies (the day will come when they buy out Stroll I believe),"

The truth is they are closer to what RBR racing are doing, that they are selling the holding company to several different sports centered investment firms. Which makes a take over of Aston Martin F1 Team much more difficult. In return they get great team management advice.

By Structure you mean Like Cowell, Krack, Lawrence, etc ...? I know that structure yes.

[-wkst-]

Well I just learned that they're no longer called AMR. They've been rebranded to ¨Aston Martin F1 Team¨ in 2018
You initially wrote " The Saudis invest a lot of money into AMR with different companies (the day will come when they buy out Stroll I believe),"


The truth is they are closer to what RBR racing are doing, that they are selling the holding company to several different sports centered investment firms. Which makes a take over of Aston Martin F1 Team much more difficult. In return they get great team management advice.


By Structure you mean Like Cowell, Krack, Lawrence, etc ...? I know that structure yes.

1) wrong, the f1 company is named AMR GP limited
2) wrong, when you sell shares of the f1 parents company, especially to such type of companies, you don’t make a takeover more difficult. Why did Stroll sell shares of the company? Because he wanted his investments back. Unlike the RBR situation, where the Austrian company owns 100% of the team for 20 years. No change in ownership.
3) By structure I mean all the companies. AMR GP ltd, AMR Performance Group Limited, AMR commerce limited, AMR Performance Technologies Limited, Silverstone Performance Technologies Limited, AMR GP Holdings Limited. Reading your posts you seem to be an expert and could explain the companies and their functions to me and others.

But the most hilarious thing is that you posted that Lance owns the team. BS. I had a look at the things in the afternoon. Stroll still has the majority in the group, but there are more small shareholders than I thought. Fallows and Whitmarsh for example.

[KimiRai]

Calm down guys.

I'll make the new 2025 thread in a few days, if that's okay with you.

[diffuser]

Well I just learned that they're no longer called AMR. They've been rebranded to ¨Aston Martin F1 Team¨ in 2018
You initially wrote " The Saudis invest a lot of money into AMR with different companies (the day will come when they buy out Stroll I believe),"


The truth is they are closer to what RBR racing are doing, that they are selling the holding company to several different sports centered investment firms. Which makes a take over of Aston Martin F1 Team much more difficult. In return they get great team management advice.


By Structure you mean Like Cowell, Krack, Lawrence, etc ...? I know that structure yes.

1) wrong, the f1 company is named AMR GP limited
2) wrong, when you sell shares of the f1 parents company, especially to such type of companies, you don’t make a takeover more difficult. Why did Stroll sell shares of the company? Because he wanted his investments back. Unlike the RBR situation, where the Austrian company owns 100% of the team for 20 years. No change in ownership.
3) By structure I mean all the companies. AMR GP ltd, AMR Performance Group Limited, AMR commerce limited, AMR Performance Technologies Limited, Silverstone Performance Technologies Limited, AMR GP Holdings Limited. Reading your posts you seem to be an expert and could explain the companies and their functions to me and others.

But the most hilarious thing is that you posted that Lance owns the team. BS. I had a look at the things in the afternoon. Stroll still has the majority in the group, but there are more small shareholders than I thought. Fallows and Whitmarsh for example.

I saw that the team was in Lance's name on the internet, might be a questionable source, don't know.

The F1 team name is what I said it is ¨Aston Martin F1 Team¨.

The "limited" name looks to be the holding company name.

No, I guess I don't know that structure. So is that like a hierarchy?

No, I'm not an expert, nor do I pretend to be. I actually knew nothing about this till you got me to start reading about it. I need to thank you, I originally thought this would be boring but turns out to be interesting, I learned something. I'm a software engineer, but I can read. I just wanted to call you out on trying to predict what was going to happen in 20 years time based on Lawrence selling shares. Too much of that goes on in this forum, in my opinion.

Also, the obvious reason for selling shares is for the money. I meant, selling the share to two different investment firms. The point, I was trying to make, is those sales diversify the Holdings and make a takeover by anyone group more difficult. Which, bring us back full circle to your original statement.