Mclaren MP4-30 Honda

[JimClarkFan]

Crofty from SKY says MP4-30 is 3 seconds plus off pace at the moment.

That's just a ridiculous thing to say.

We never seen a quali lap from Mclaren, and the engine was never turned up.

I wonder how some of these pundits can make these kind of claims with a straight face.

The pace of the Mclaren is probably a lot better than the headline figure, but the reliability sucks.

The simple fact is you can't judge the ultimate pace of the car if they can't even crank up the engine to full power for fear of it blowing the engine.

Mclarens priorities were clearly elsewhere. Like how can I do a race distance without have the engine spring a leak.

[Richard]

To paraphrase "Their car can go much faster but it doesn't work." I don't know how someone can say that with a straight face

The laptimes don't lie. Mclaren can only manage to set laptimes that are 3 seconds of the pace. Yes, one can hope that they can unleash more power from the PU, but first they need to work out how to get to the finish.

[radosav]

To paraphrase "Their car can go much faster but it doesn't work." I don't know how someone can say that with a straight face

The laptimes don't lie. Mclaren can only manage to set laptimes that are 3 seconds of the pace. Yes, one can hope that they can unleash more power from the PU, but first they need to work out how to get to the finish.

We should stop with speculation and post only facts!

[WaikeCU]

What worries me is the amount of PU's each car can use throughout the season, which is 4! From what I have learned this Winter testing is that Mclaren have struggled with the Honda PU. They have said throughout the Winter, that the engine isn''t running at 100% and even then, they still have issues with the turned down PU.

[Juzh]

To paraphrase "Their car can go much faster but it doesn't work." I don't know how someone can say that with a straight face

The laptimes don't lie. Mclaren can only manage to set laptimes that are 3 seconds of the pace. Yes, one can hope that they can unleash more power from the PU, but first they need to work out how to get to the finish.

We should stop with speculation and post only facts!

Laptimes?

[proteus]

Not another comparison to the redbull last year, but still, they were as well 2.5 seconds adrift, and look where they finished the season. Yes, they had an aerodynamicly superior car, but we can say that mclaren has it as well this year. The mclaren did 40 km more, and i dont know if the film days are included, if not, they have aditional 50km more mileage....how much of this is true, we will see in australia....if the car is capable of driving at this times just cruising arround, then the other teams better start praying that they never fix the issues, because mp4-30 will transform into a saturnus rocket with the issues fixed. And even though the Honda is still not as refined as it should be, it is showing a better face than the Renault did, with its coughing and banging arround the track, and we have to consider, that Renault had 4 teams, from which they were getting the data from, Honda has only the Mclaren.

[GoranF1]

Crofty from SKY says MP4-30 is 3 seconds plus off pace at the moment.

That's just a ridiculous thing to say.

We never seen a quali lap from Mclaren, and the engine was never turned up.

I wonder how some of these pundits can make these kind of claims with a straight face.

The pace of the Mclaren is probably a lot better than the headline figure, but the reliability sucks.

The simple fact is you can't judge the ultimate pace of the car if they can't even crank up the engine to full power for fear of it blowing the engine.

Mclarens priorities were clearly elsewhere. Like how can I do a race distance without have the engine spring a leak.

Both Button and Boulier have said the engine was turned on at 100% many times only each time it was it broke.

[dr_cooke]

It seems quite weird to me that they had so many leaks everywhere. Sealing is not rocket science and you would expect they would have taken care of that during design. Could it be that they are running higher than normal pressures in order to achieve tighter packaging? Both in hydraulic system and cooling they could be aiming at that

[radosav]

To paraphrase "Their car can go much faster but it doesn't work." I don't know how someone can say that with a straight face

The laptimes don't lie. Mclaren can only manage to set laptimes that are 3 seconds of the pace. Yes, one can hope that they can unleash more power from the PU, but first they need to work out how to get to the finish.

We should stop with speculation and post only facts!

Laptimes?

Laptimes ,number of laps, issues confirmed by team etc !
Speculating that they run engine at 80% and that they will be much faster at Melbourne without any proof doesn't have any sense!

[acosmichippo]

sorry, wrong thread. Please delete.

[frosty125]

Seems quite interesting to me that the McLaren blow duct is a very different shape to the the Ferrari and RB.

[PlatinumZealot]

mclaren111 wrote:

If you look at the top insert, the wing paint is shiny on the entire wing. On the bottom one the edges is not painted.

Would this make a difference to the airflow ??

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-wbV5MJbVH0s/V ... 26fe41.png

Thunders:Purely just different lighting

Disagree - they are differently painted as per this and other photos:

http://img3.auto-motor-und-sport.de/McL ... 847057.jpg

very interesting. That could be a special coating to prevent rubber from sticking to the wing. Last year that was a big issue for all the teams.

[Cale24]

McLaren keep avoiding saying their ultra tight packaging is problematic. Whiles temperatures are apparently under control, the many seemingly minor problems like leaks, seals, and sensors going wrong - and big delays in resolving them- seems to at the very least suggest that tight packagaing has an impact. That is, the process of opening up the car, fixing, reassembling and then closing it all up. However, once they get those things dialled to the point that they don't go wrong in the first place, then I think we will see McLaren progressing fast.

Their PU has not been run at full power, while Toto Wolff says Mercedes have been running at 100%, and looking at speed traps, Ferrari also had theirs turned up high. So, very hard to guess what their ultimate pace will be in Melbourne during quali and race. Honda say they have hit their targets, and by now will have an idea on their power output relative to the competition, so I think the Mp4-30 will certainly be a lot faster than many people are saying. And the car 'feels great' according to Button and Magnussen- only a matter of time till they are mixing it with Williams/Ferrari/Red Bull.

Power wise, from what we have seen, my guess is Ferrari will be 30/40 hp down on Merc in Melbourne, at best. Honda I think will be on par with Ferrari, and most reports suggest Renault will be a little behind, maybe 60hp down on Mercedes.

[acosmichippo]

McLaren keep avoiding saying their ultra tight packaging is problematic. Whiles temperatures are apparently under control, the many seemingly minor problems like leaks, seals, and sensors going wrong - and big delays in resolving them- seems to at the very least suggest that tight packagaing has an impact. That is, the process of opening up the car, fixing, reassembling and then closing it all up.

That's the case with the v6T+ERS power units in general, there's nothing to suggest McLaren is suffering more than anyone else in that regard.

[Felipe 92]

Crofty from SKY says MP4-30 is 3 seconds plus off pace at the moment.

That's just a ridiculous thing to say.

We never seen a quali lap from Mclaren, and the engine was never turned up.

I wonder how some of these pundits can make these kind of claims with a straight face.

The pace of the Mclaren is probably a lot better than the headline figure, but the reliability sucks.

The simple fact is you can't judge the ultimate pace of the car if they can't even crank up the engine to full power for fear of it blowing the engine.

Mclarens priorities were clearly elsewhere. Like how can I do a race distance without have the engine spring a leak.

Both Button and Boulier have said the engine was turned on at 100% many times only each time it was it broke.

Can you please give a link where they said that? I googled but couldn`t find anything about engine being run at full power. Thanks