Max Verstappen has won the Austrian Grand Prix, and by doing so secured the first Honda powered victory since the company's return to the sport in 2015. Leclerc was passed in the penultimate lap and finished second, ahead of Bottas in third place.
section 38.2 a
It shall be at the discretion of the stewards to decide if any driver involved in an Incident
should be penalised.
Unless it is clear to the stewards that a driver was wholly or predominantly to blame for
an Incident no penalty will be imposed.
The rule cited is 38.1. They didn’t decide on that based on the rules but on some mystic new feature “available space”.
That's not how the "rules" are written.henry wrote: ↑02 Jul 2019, 23:02The rule cited is 38.1. They didn’t decide on that based on the rules but on some mystic new feature “available space”.
Only when they have made a decision on that do they move to 38.2a.
38.2 is methodology they need to follow to determine if a penalty should be given.38.1 The race director may report any on‐track incident or suspected breach of these Sporting
Regulations or the Code (an “Incident”) to the stewards. After review it shall be at the
discretion of the stewards to decide whether or not to proceed with an investigation.
The stewards may also investigate an Incident noted by themselves.
Sorry. My mistake. I should have referenced the Appendix L Chapter IV, 2b. which concerns the type of incident reported.dans79 wrote: ↑02 Jul 2019, 23:15That's not how the rules are written.
section 38 is about incidents during the race.
38.1 is defining what an incident is, and who determines when one has occurred.38.2 is methodology they need to follow to determine if a penalty should be given.38.1 The race director may report any on‐track incident or suspected breach of these Sporting
Regulations or the Code (an “Incident”) to the stewards. After review it shall be at the
discretion of the stewards to decide whether or not to proceed with an investigation.
The stewards may also investigate an Incident noted by themselves.
38.3 lists the penalties they can apply, and how/when they can be applied
38.4 is the procedure the stewards must follow when issuing a penalty.
With no refueling, restricted tire options, and cars that are very susceptible to dirty air, drivers have very few ways of pulling off a pass now. For better or worse, passing on the inside and then squeezing the defender off on exit has been an acceptable passing method for a while now (within bounds).
Why do people say this, and the media too. "RedBull stop Mercedes dominance". Ferrari also finished ahead of Mercedes. And they managed it legally too
Have you ever been to the pub? People discuss football decisions endlessly in many of them, arguing over whether it was a penalty, an offside, a dive etc. Some of them even get in to fights about it.
I guess you’re right. I was just commenting that i dont know of any other sport that has that many “bad calls” (or lets call them debatable), but i felt that generally people still move on, because it’s accepted that it is the referees call from the best of his ability at that given time and that’s the end of it. I dont think a game result has ever been “recalled” or altered post, no matter how wrong some calls have been. Some championships have even been decided on them.Just_a_fan wrote: ↑03 Jul 2019, 09:15Have you ever been to the pub? People discuss football decisions endlessly in many of them, arguing over whether it was a penalty, an offside, a dive etc. Some of them even get in to fights about it.
I’m not sure I agree with your whys but passing under these technical rules is extremely difficult, almost certainly too difficult. (Ruling out DRS which suffers from another type of regulatory nonsense)dans79 wrote: ↑03 Jul 2019, 00:04With no refueling, restricted tire options, and cars that are very susceptible to dirty air, drivers have very few ways of pulling off a pass now. For better or worse, passing on the inside and then squeezing the defender off on exit has been an acceptable passing method for a while now (within bounds).
but there was clearly insufficient space for both cars to do so
If track doesn´t get narrower each lap, I think we can´t find a better example of an absurd decision based on politics as the argument used is just too ridiculous...
