2024 Mclaren Formula 1 Team

[Lucky]

[M840TR]

finding a little difficult to understand why ferrari are fancied so heavy for Baku, other than our old friend, recency bias - Isn't it the case that Baku is strongly a rear limited track?

Low speed corners and long straights favour the Ferrari, its predominant weakness being porpoising in mid-high speed corners. But it's unclear where it stands after the upgrades.

That being said, although McLaren's advantage can wax and wane depending on the track, it arguably remains the fastest car on all tracks.

[Darth-Piekus]

That is a good approach from Zak Brown. Mathematically Lando is much closer and Oscar has to help. No more experiments and throwing away easy victories.

[FittingMechanics]

Zak was on Dale Jr. podcast - quite interesting talk so far (I am 35 minutes in).

Zak just shared a interesting number. When he took over the team they had 35M in sponsorship. Now they have over 300M for the F1 team. That is insane.

[mwillems]

Zak was on Dale Jr. podcast - quite interesting talk so far (I am 35 minutes in).

Zak just shared a interesting number. When he took over the team they had 35M in sponsorship. Now they have over 300M for the F1 team. That is insane.

That would have been excluding the Honda support payments of 100m per year.

It's a massive number though and the team will certainly be profitable, with those numbers only getting stronger.

[Ben1980]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/ar ... gen1vegx7o

So, the team admitting they weren't happy with how it panned out in Monza. Probably brought things to a head, reiterating team comes first.

[mwillems]

It was inevitable that they would give some support to Lando. Sounds like in general they will prevent some racing between the drivers which is a sensible move. Sounds like they sounded out Oscar about gibing up a win if it looked necessary.

[bluechris]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/ar ... gen1vegx7o

So, the team admitting they weren't happy with how it panned out in Monza. Probably brought things to a head, reiterating team comes first.

Some people here we were stating the obvious but we were just Piastri haters... anyway.

[Ben1980]

It was inevitable that they would give some support to Lando. Sounds like in general they will prevent some racing between the drivers which is a sensible move. Sounds like they sounded out Oscar about gibing up a win if it looked necessary.

I dont like the idea of giving up a win, unless exceptional circumstances. But swapping 2nd or 3rd I have no issues with.

[Ben1980]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/ar ... gen1vegx7o

So, the team admitting they weren't happy with how it panned out in Monza. Probably brought things to a head, reiterating team comes first.

Some people here we were stating the obvious but we were just Piastri haters... anyway.

It all got a bit silly. It was all pretty clear, it was a good move at the wrong time. And I think the team have seen it as putting himself above the team.

But, it was always going to be the catalyst for change, and it has been.

[Slahinki]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/ar ... gen1vegx7o

So, the team admitting they weren't happy with how it panned out in Monza. Probably brought things to a head, reiterating team comes first.

Some people here we were stating the obvious but we were just Piastri haters... anyway.

It all got a bit silly. It was all pretty clear, it was a good move at the wrong time. And I think the team have seen it as putting himself above the team.

But, it was always going to be the catalyst for change, and it has been.

Earlier in the season or against someone not his team mate it was fine. It's good that the team are taking the appropriate measures.

[mwillems]

It was inevitable that they would give some support to Lando. Sounds like in general they will prevent some racing between the drivers which is a sensible move. Sounds like they sounded out Oscar about gibing up a win if it looked necessary.

I dont like the idea of giving up a win, unless exceptional circumstances. But swapping 2nd or 3rd I have no issues with.

There's so many clauses, caveats and use of the words "when nevessary" and "Team first" that I'm not sure how they will come to a strategy decision. I guess we'll find out.

[mwillems]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/ar ... gen1vegx7o

So, the team admitting they weren't happy with how it panned out in Monza. Probably brought things to a head, reiterating team comes first.

Some people here we were stating the obvious but we were just Piastri haters... anyway.

It all got a bit silly. It was all pretty clear, it was a good move at the wrong time. And I think the team have seen it as putting himself above the team.

But, it was always going to be the catalyst for change, and it has been.

This is where it gets a little frustrating. Both the team as a whole and Zak have emphatically said the opposite of this, so this is kind of putting opinion in their mouth, contrary to what has actually been said.

Everyone expected some orders before the previous race, now it has happened. Before the previous I was surprised they weren't told not to fight. But they clearly were a little arrogant towards the threat of Ferrari before and still during the race.

[Ben1980]

Some people here we were stating the obvious but we were just Piastri haters... anyway.

It all got a bit silly. It was all pretty clear, it was a good move at the wrong time. And I think the team have seen it as putting himself above the team.

But, it was always going to be the catalyst for change, and it has been.

This is where it gets a little frustrating. Both the team as a whole and Zak have emphatically said the opposite of this, so this is kind of putting words in their mouth.

Everyone expected some orders before the previous race, now it has happened. Before the previous I was surprised they weren't told not to fight. But they clearly were a little arrogant towards the threat of Ferrari before and still during the race.

But when you read the article and quotes from Stella, it is all about the team coming first, and not being in that position again. It's pretty clear they don't think the team was put first. Not sure there is another way they can say it.

[mwillems]

It all got a bit silly. It was all pretty clear, it was a good move at the wrong time. And I think the team have seen it as putting himself above the team.

But, it was always going to be the catalyst for change, and it has been.

This is where it gets a little frustrating. Both the team as a whole and Zak have emphatically said the opposite of this, so this is kind of putting words in their mouth.

Everyone expected some orders before the previous race, now it has happened. Before the previous I was surprised they weren't told not to fight. But they clearly were a little arrogant towards the threat of Ferrari before and still during the race.

But when you read the article and quotes from Stella, it is all about the team coming first, and not being in that position again. It's pretty clear they don't think the team was put first. Not sure there is another way they can say it.

Yes, but that doesn't mean he doesn't think Stella and co made a mistake with instructions to the drivers or how they were communicated. or if they simply made a bad decision about racing. That you ignored that is giving unintentional bias towards another outcome by yourself. I mean, he explicitly says...

""What we don't want to see anymore is a situation like in Monza in which we enter a chicane P1/P2 and we exit P1/P3, because that is a detriment to the team.

"The team interests come first and these are the situations that above all we need to fix because as a matter of fact, the way we entered the race in Monza left the door open for this situation."


And when Stella says the team coming first, I believe this also means Lando won't challenge Oscar if he is in the lead and there is a threat from a car behind. The team will be firmer with racing rules for both.

What I expect to happen is that the team will get both their cars to the line in the fastest way possible, no matter who is in the lead, and then if they have an opportunity and it is right, they will swap the drivers to help Lando, preferably through pits so it is less in the fans face than slowing on track.