F1 2016 pre-season testing

[FoxHound]

To me I think Pirelli might have done it again. Tire compounds that differ so massively compared to each other that I believe Mercedes might lose it again on race day. Just like in 2013 incredibly fast in qualifying, but I believe the W07 can't work out which tyres it works the best on. At the moment I think they are trying to make the Mediums work. I'm thinking they are ruling out the Softs, SuperSofts and UltraSofts, because they won't hold for more than 3-4 laps before they reach the cliff, so they won't be interesting on race day.

I wouldn't jump to any conclusions just yet. Mercedes have more tyre data than anyone else, and by some margin. The fact they've run on Mediums for most of the test indicates they are trying to set a baseline for data streaming.
There is also the problem of the weather being cold, and any inherent tyre degradation/wear will be different the moment temperatures increase.

[probenprinz]

Wehrlein in a Manor does 1m25.206s on Super Soft.

ehh.. no.

all you can say is Manor gained a lot with Mercedes 2016 PU

How much is a Lot?
Scenario 1: Let's assume 1 second gain. That means, Mercedes 2016 PU is around 100HP more powerful than 2015 Ferrari PU? That is what it equates to. 2 Seconds means 200HP more and so on.
Scenario 2: If Manor was having the Mercedes 2015 PU last year, would Manor 2015 be faster by a second at Abu Dhabi (instead of 6 seconds, let's say the difference was 5 seconds)? Let's assume that was true and for that to be true, Ferrari 2015 PU was down by 100 HP to Mercedes 2015.
Manor Comes to Barcelona testing this year, with 5 seconds deficit (with above assumption). Even to retain just 5 seconds deficit with new PUs (both now have new PUs), Manor should have developed the chassis, equal to Mercedes. Would it be so? If you agree all of this is working in Manor's favor, then I am ready to believe that Mercedes cannot be faster than Manor by 6 seconds.

FERRARI HOPING TO CHALLENGE MERCEDES WITH 30HP BOOST FROM NEW DEVELOPMENT ENGINE

It will be interesting to see how much closer the new Ferrari power unit brings them to the Mercedes cars. The gap in qualifying has been around 7/10ths of a second and there should be around 3/10ths in the power unit upgrade, if the indiscretions on the extent of the update are accurate. The gap in races, however has been less (apart from Spain, where Ferrari struggled with the tyres)

Manor last year has used 2014 Ferrari PU, the same used by the sitting duck F1AT

[wickedz50]

US was 785'', but from what source is the 765''?

It was 765" on the US,

[snowy]

Raikkonen (S) OUT 1:24.7 1:26.0 1:26.4 1:26.5 1:27.2 1:27.7 1:28.6 1:28.9 1:29.4 1:29.7

[dren]

To me I think Pirelli might have done it again. Tire compounds that differ so massively compared to each other that I believe Mercedes might lose it again on race day. Just like in 2013 incredibly fast in qualifying, but I believe the W07 can't work out which tyres it works the best on. At the moment I think they are trying to make the Mediums work. I'm thinking they are ruling out the Softs, SuperSofts and UltraSofts, because they won't hold for more than 3-4 laps before they reach the cliff, so they won't be interesting on race day.

I wouldn't jump to any conclusions just yet. Mercedes have more tyre data than anyone else, and by some margin. The fact they've run on Mediums for most of the test indicates they are trying to set a baseline for data streaming.
There is also the problem of the weather being cold, and any inherent tyre degradation/wear will be different the moment temperatures increase.

Sense and logic doesn't belong in this thread. C'mon now FH!

[FoxHound]

Sense and logic doesn't belong in this thread. C'mon now FH!

Aye, but sense and logic? I have neither!

[digitalrurouni]

I still don't understand how come Merc are pounding around just on the mediums with SO many laps. One would think that reliability study is done and dusted for them. Is it all just figuring out the car's balance on varying levels of fuel load but on just that one compound though? Scratching my head here. I would have thought they would like to figure out how fast their car could truly be and unleash their drivers a bit at least today and tomorrow. Well let's see what happens tomorrow!

[digitalrurouni]

I wouldn't jump to any conclusions just yet. Mercedes have more tyre data than anyone else, and by some margin. The fact they've run on Mediums for most of the test indicates they are trying to set a baseline for data streaming.
There is also the problem of the weather being cold, and any inherent tyre degradation/wear will be different the moment temperatures increase.

Hmm so you are saying because it's cold kind of pointless to run the soft and ultrasofts?

[GoranF1]

Alonso 1.25.2 whit US

[dot235]

US was 785'', but from what source is the 765''?

http://www.f1today.net/en/live/f1/20931 ... st-2-day-3

[snowy]

It may be that Mercedes don't want to go too fast and spoil it for everyone.

[MaxSteel]

Hello guys, I'm new here. I'm just a passionate fan of F1 and Ferrari (hopefully no one will blame me ) and I was just wondering: the US tyres are faster just for that little because they start to wear out already in the third sector? Or is it because Pirelli chose a different temperature range to make them work properly? Maybe both?

[dot235]

https://twitter.com/RenaultSportF1/stat ... 6768572416 Another source.

[digitalrurouni]

@snowy haha that could very well be.

@MaxSteel my assumption is the track surface is more abrasive at least for the ultrasoft here so we are not seeing the full potential of what it can do. Also the temps are probably a bit lower. I would think smoother tracks like Montreal (if memory serves me) and the low speed track like Monaco would be where one would see the most gains. Perhaps even Sochi.

I must say I am also impressed with Wehrlein and Manor and the work they are doing. In the 24s now!

[Chene_Mostert]

To me I think Pirelli might have done it again. Tire compounds that differ so massively compared to each other that I believe Mercedes might lose it again on race day. Just like in 2013 incredibly fast in qualifying, but I believe the W07 can't work out which tyres it works the best on. At the moment I think they are trying to make the Mediums work. I'm thinking they are ruling out the Softs, SuperSofts and UltraSofts, because they won't hold for more than 3-4 laps before they reach the cliff, so they won't be interesting on race day.

I wouldn't jump to any conclusions just yet. Mercedes have moretyre data than anyone else, and by some margin. The fact they've run on Mediums for most of the test indicates they are trying to set a baseline for data streaming.
There is also the problem of the weather being cold, and any inherent tyre degradation/wear will be different the moment temperatures increase.

I totally agree with you,
also the fact that Ferrari has set multiple baselines for all compounds and collected significant data across various fuel loads and temperature ranges for each, makes me very optimistic for their "data streaming" and the upcoming season.
Like you say common sense !