2024 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

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Silent Storm wrote:
07 Apr 2024, 11:25
PierreW wrote:
07 Apr 2024, 11:10
Max was faster at the end of the race than Sainz, despite older tyres and was even able to get the fastest lap. RB also had the best working tyres on the first medium stint compared to the rest of the field.

It was a dominating performance, both over a lap and over the whole race. The car was also much faster to overtake others than any other cars.
Max tyres were just 2 laps older than Sainz.
At the end, but not when Sainz put up the previous fastest lap with new tyres a few laps after he pitted when he was chasing Norris and Leclerc while Max was managing.

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PierreW wrote:
Silent Storm wrote:
07 Apr 2024, 11:25
PierreW wrote:
07 Apr 2024, 11:10
Max was faster at the end of the race than Sainz, despite older tyres and was even able to get the fastest lap. RB also had the best working tyres on the first medium stint compared to the rest of the field.

It was a dominating performance, both over a lap and over the whole race. The car was also much faster to overtake others than any other cars.
Max tyres were just 2 laps older than Sainz.
At the end, but not when Sainz put up the previous fastest lap with new tyres a few laps after he pitted when he was chasing Norris and Leclerc while Max was managing.
Nope. Sainz did his fast lap on lap 47, one lap after he passed Charles. Max did it on lap 50.

I don’t know why so many people think Sainz did it while chasing LEC and NOR.

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Max's hard tyre was 6 laps older than Sainz's hard.

Max pitted on lap 35 - Fastest lap was on lap 50 (15 lap old)
Sainz pitted on lap 37 - Fastest lap was on lap 46 (9 lap old)

For what its worth.
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dialtone wrote:
07 Apr 2024, 11:58
PierreW wrote:
Silent Storm wrote:
07 Apr 2024, 11:25

Max tyres were just 2 laps older than Sainz.
At the end, but not when Sainz put up the previous fastest lap with new tyres a few laps after he pitted when he was chasing Norris and Leclerc while Max was managing.
Nope. Sainz did his fast lap on lap 47, one lap after he passed Charles. Max did it on lap 50.

I don’t know why so many people think Sainz did it while chasing LEC and NOR.
Sainz did his fastest lap on Lap 46 and he overtook Leclerc before turn 1 so he had DRS too which explains his straightline speed.
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Charles was very fast today. Once he got clear air on the first stint after Max pit, he was faster than Max. The Ferrari FP3 pace was real (after corrections for engine modes and fuel), Charles qualifying poorly and being stuck in traffic in the first stint made it look worse.

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Sphere3758 wrote:
07 Apr 2024, 12:09
Charles was very fast today. Once he got clear air on the first stint after Max pit, he was faster than Max. The Ferrari FP3 pace was real (after corrections for engine modes and fuel), Charles qualifying poorly and being stuck in traffic in the first stint made it look worse.
At no point 'ever' was Charles faster than Max today. Only time he was faster was the end of Verstappens stint on the medium whilst Charles was on the new hard.

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chrisc90 wrote:
07 Apr 2024, 12:05
Max's hard tyre was 6 laps older than Sainz's hard.

Max pitted on lap 35 - Fastest lap was on lap 50 (15 lap old)
Sainz pitted on lap 37 - Fastest lap was on lap 46 (9 lap old)

For what its worth.
Sainz also did a 1:33.995 on lap 38 and then his fastest lap 1:33.841 on lap 46.
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I am referring to the laptimes of Max at the end of his first stint vs Charles on his medium after that. Even from your graph, it is clear that Charles was matching/a bit faster than where Max was at the end of his first stint.

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Sphere3758 wrote:
07 Apr 2024, 12:17
I am referring to the laptimes of Max at the end of his first stint vs Charles on his medium after that. Even from your graph, it is clear that Charles was matching/a bit faster than where Max was at the end of his first stint.
Charles probably spent the first part of the race conserving his tyres whereas Max used up their potential.

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Cs98 wrote:
07 Apr 2024, 12:19
Sphere3758 wrote:
07 Apr 2024, 12:17
I am referring to the laptimes of Max at the end of his first stint vs Charles on his medium after that. Even from your graph, it is clear that Charles was matching/a bit faster than where Max was at the end of his first stint.
Charles probably spent the first part of the race conserving his tyres whereas Max used up their potential.
It is possible, but there is also a huge advantage in driving in free air vs being in traffic. My only point was that the FP3 corrected pace, which put Ferrari in range with Redbull, was not so far off. Using Sainz's pace is not the best metric here, as Charles was clearly faster today but started much further back and lost a lot of time to traffic.
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And charles started on a new medium so 3 laps newer.
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Sphere3758 wrote:
07 Apr 2024, 12:17
I am referring to the laptimes of Max at the end of his first stint vs Charles on his medium after that. Even from your graph, it is clear that Charles was matching/a bit faster than where Max was at the end of his first stint.
Charles was managing his tyres from the start. Great job though to keep the deg in in check, bit no way he had the pace to challenge Red Bull.

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Cs98 wrote:
07 Apr 2024, 12:19
Sphere3758 wrote:
07 Apr 2024, 12:17
I am referring to the laptimes of Max at the end of his first stint vs Charles on his medium after that. Even from your graph, it is clear that Charles was matching/a bit faster than where Max was at the end of his first stint.
Charles probably spent the first part of the race conserving his tyres whereas Max used up their potential.
I agree. Charles was basically stuck behind cars and was lapping 2 seconds a lap slower for first 8 laps then again lap 10 to 12 than Max who was pushing. So not surprising he had some tyre left near the end of the stint.
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Max started out with understeer. I think that was “on purpose” as GP and he talked about it. Lewis had the same but his understeer only went away at the end of the last stint.

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Penelope was very happy with Max’s result.



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