Shrieker wrote:Complete and utter BS.
You ought to read it again if you think so, as it contains some useful links to verify my point from some decent sources.
But of course, I wouldn't want to spoil your fun by letting a few facts get in the way of the
mobile vulgus.
Shrieker wrote:Pirelli knew about the tire troubles as early as Bahrain GP which was held in April. They elected to lie to cover it up by saying it was debris damage.
Teams where swapping tyres and using them in a way which was not tested. Mercedes where one of these teams and they also ran to the limit on camber.
Did Pirelli advise this to them? No.
In some cases it was done without prior knowledge or notification.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/108545
No lies where told. Pirelli have been very forthright and honest in saying they should never have allowed the tyre swapping to occur.
Shrieker wrote:They had more than 2 full months before the British GP where the tires went bust like popcorn. And they had a full 3 day test with Mercedes one and a half months before the British GP. They had also done a test with Ferrari's 2011 car ! It's so convenient to forget these tests isn't it.
It seems convenient to sweep under the carpet the the whole scenario of why they where testing? 2014 tyres being the main priority.
Pirelli motorsport director Paul Hembery has previously said the tyre compounds tested are not going to be used in the 2013 season."The focus was on 2014,"
And here, conveniently, is the link.
http://sports.ndtv.com/formula-1/news/2 ... tyre-tests
Shrieker wrote:Only then they decided to 'modify' the tyres for the German round. Reason it took so long ? "There wasn't an understanding between the teams". LoL ok. If such a fXXX up is going to damage my brand image irreversibly (which it has), and put the drivers and spectators at risk then screw the teams. They were first and foremost morally obliged to ensure the safety of the people involved. Even after a complete rework was done for the Hungarian round, the troubles were far from over as evidenced later in the season. Then, the supposedly more robust tires go bust on a 2013 car.
You suggesting that Pirelli are solely morally responsible and the teams and the FIA are absolved of any moral obligation?
Then why did teams persist in tyre swapping when they themselves knew it to be a potentially hazardous action even after the incidents?
This here is the point.
I will reiterate to you once again that Pirelli are in a situation that no other tyre manufacturer has had to endure before.
Their position is one of having to provide a tyre that disintegrates to the point where it is no longer a usable product in a very short period of time. It is almost counter intuitive to produce such tyres, but the FIA demand it.
It was part of the tender process in 2009 when the FIA where searching for a supplier.
There was pretty much little or no interest from anyone other than Pirelli.
On top of this, they are limited to testing their products
on current machines for an entire season with a 1 month spell before the season starts.
This has been ratified only very recently.
Even after this, they can use a 2 year old car which is in no way a credible reference point for current machines due to various rule changes/bans and increases in performance(EBD/F ducts/FRICS etc etc).
How on earth do you propose a supplier to keep up with this kind of change when no in season testing with current cars is permissible?
It's a constant moving target that requires constant and up to date information if the product the FIA wants is to be as accurate and safe as possible.
If you can at least understand the difference here, in that Pirelli are in this situation simply because the rules and conditions placed on them are unrealistic.
Shrieker wrote:All of this is systematic. Which tells me Pirelli don't have a clue.You might have one or two failures here and there over the season and they could be explained as exceptions. Not the case here
I agree it is systematic. And the reason for it is nothing to do with Pirelli and everything to do with the conditions imposed on them by the FIA.
A systematic failing you can say.
Shrieker wrote: You post a pic of a punctured/delaminated Bridgestone tire, but a static image doesn't even tell half the story. Yes i can recall more than a couple of tire deflations&failures in the Bridgestone era, but I can't really remember tire explosions à la Pirelli.
The picture was from the link I posted, had you the inclination to read it.
The story is clear from the outset regarding this mishap. It was caused by phenomenon known as "chunking".
Also interesting is that ...
the Japanese tyre manufacturer remains unsure of the exact circumstances that led to the failure
a full 2 days after the incident.
This on top of the fact they had unlimited testing AND no stipulations from the FIA to create a fast degrading tyre.
But again, why let some facts get in the way of spoiling your lynching of Pirelli.
Here is something of a clue...
Pirelli has been selected as the single tyre supplier for the FIA Formula One World Championship for a period of three years, commencing in 2011. The sole supplier will undertake to strictly respect the sporting and technical regulations implemented by the FIA.
