Mclaren MP4-29 Pre-launch Speculation

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I dont see why it can't be designed to accommadate enough suspension travel, that area is subject to the R75 rule, so the cross section is going to be at least 150mm at some point, more than the suspension travel.

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Here is a (I hope) better translation of the Omnicorse article:
omnicorse wrote: In the 2014 cars there is not only the revolution of the new power unit, that dictates the return of the turbo, this time coupled with hybrid systems for better efficiency and lower fuel consumption. The new rules also determine a radical loss of aerodynamic load: the teams are looking for creative solutions to compensate, at least in part, for the lack of downforce.
With the 100 kg/h limit on fuel it does not make sense to try and find downforce just with the wings, because an higher angle of attack of the airfoils gives a big drag penalty.

INNOVATIVE REAR SUSPENSION To this end, McLaren are studying a solution for the rear that could be interesting: the Fia has banned the beam wing, which, besides acting as support for the endplates, had an important aerodynamic function.
It seems that Woking's engineers have proposed to Matt Morris, chief designer for the Mp4/29, an interesting idea, that technical director Tim Goss has approved on condition that a more traditional set-up would be developed in parallel.

A VENETIAN BLIND OF ARMS What is it about? Well-informed rumors have it that in Woking they would be building a suspension in which the track-rod arm would be positioned in cascade with the upper wishbone, in order to create some kind of "venetian blind" (maybe also together with a faired driveshaft) and replicate at least in part the effect of the beam wing. In Giorgio Piola's drawing it is shown that McLaren had started fairing the a-arms in the zone near the wheel-hub on the Mp4/28. It is evident that the engineers directed by Tim Goss have started from this solution to develop an interesting concept that could be used also by other teams. Anyway this concept is not brand new, since in 2007 a track-rod fairing was already present on the Mp4/22 designed by Mike Coughlan.

THE MP4/29 IS VERY LATE McLaren's bet could give aerodynamic advantages but it seems to have significant effects on suspension's rigidity. It is a brave move that will be shown at the car's unveil, but could be substituted with a more traditional layout in Jerez first tests, where making kilometers will be mandatory. It is rumored that the assembly of the first car is very late on the plans, so the car's unveil date could be changed, so much that maybe it will be shown directly in Andalusia...
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Bit surprised that Matt Morris is chief designer on the 29 since he just joined the team half a year ago.

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Yeah, I suspect there was a much more thorough shakeup inside McLaren than has been reported.

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Hope he has implemented his experience with the narrow sidepods from the Sauber C33 to the MP4-29. Tight packaging could be an advantage next year :-)

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Does this unique design not violate rule 3.15b and c?
3.15 Aerodynamic influence: Any specific part of the car influencing its aerodynamic performance:
b) must be rigidly secured to the entirely sprung part of the car (means zero degrees of freedom)
c) Must remain immobile in relation to the sprung part of the car

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Scarbs is guessing that the aero bits would be rigidly attached to the body and of course within the areas in which bodywork is allowed.

Anything else would have to fall in the same grey area as brake ducts, wheel fairings, etc.

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Such a rule is horrible either way, because whether you like it or not, there is absolutely no way where an suspension arm or wheel hub wouldn't have an effect an aerodynamics.

According to that rule, every car on the grid is illegal and will be illegal no matter what. The rule misses important words like "improvement", "downforce increase" or "drag reduction"
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True, but laws (or in this case, the rules) give preference to specific requirements over general ones. So while those rules say generally that no suspension part can have an aerodynamic effect, the rules in section 10 which govern the suspension members themselves list specific dimensions, angles etc., and therefore supersede the general rules.

Usually. :wink:
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wesley123 wrote:Such a rule is horrible either way, because whether you like it or not, there is absolutely no way where an suspension arm or wheel hub wouldn't have an effect an aerodynamics.

According to that rule, every car on the grid is illegal and will be illegal no matter what. The rule misses important words like "improvement", "downforce increase" or "drag reduction"
Such a rule would be impossible to phrase anyway, as you would have no baseline to compare against. The FIA couldn't specify a baseline shape or value, because such shapes would have different effects on different cars, and the values would be impossible to measure, as it wouldn't be as simple as measuring the force on the wheel - these tools have effects further down the car as well.

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Mp4-29 revealing on January 24th at 12:00pm
https://twitter.com/McLarenF1/status/42 ... 64/photo/1
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So, an On-line reveal. Doesn't sound like what we have become accustomed too over the past few years with their media events in Germany and Woking, more like some pics, maybe a short video and no doubt the usual 3d rendering simulation

I'm guessing from this there is no title sponsor for now and I'm hoping that means Honda will be more than just an engine supplier in 2015

Still... I am just speculating and I'm often wrong

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Are we to infer anything from this image? Is Jenson now Batman? Macman? :?

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Pup wrote:Are we to infer anything from this image? Is Jenson now Batman? Macman? :?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BdZSxHhCAAAju0R.jpg
Magman (Magnussen) maybe? :P