2014 Abu Dhabi GP - Yas Marina

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I am going to miss the race live and only have a chance to catch up with it after about an hour or so..

It might not be terrible to read the result before I witness it on TV.....

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Phil wrote:...we might be even looking at a 2nd row start.
you know who lewis is, right? he's gonna give it 110% this weekend.
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tranquility2k4 wrote:Something else to add to the equation - I'm not sure if anyone has yet mentioned the possibility of Rosberg purposely backing up Hamilton into the cars behind.
Good luck with that in Abu Dhabi. Nico will be a sitting duck in the two long DRS zones.

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I'd be fine with a first lap incident taking out both Nico and Lewis... That way I wouldn't be subject to a heart attack till the end of the race! :D

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Not sure what people are worrying so much about, Hamilton can afford to leave the toilet break a bit late, start from the pitlane and give the entire field a half lap lead start and still finish second. Anyone sitting at home worrying about reliability 4 days ahead of an F1 race needs some more fulfilment in their days.

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Truer words never spoken :)
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I must admit that my thought on the merry-go-round are a little different to most
McLaren want someone with a future so will keep kevin ? well actually the someone they want for the future ....lewis !
so lewis is waiting to see what happens at McLaren before he commits to mercedes beyond 2015 , 2015 will show him what honda have produced ...but he isn't going to tell mercedes yet ...they want him to sign so will be happy for him to be WDC this year , but if he won't nico will be getting a helping hand ;
so there is still hope for jenson , lewis not WDC and tells big Mac he will come back if the car is any good so a sixth year would be the best bet ; if lewis decides not to extend , who could they get to replace him in 2016 if he decided he would like to stay because McLaren didn't look as good ?

machiavellian ? not a bit ...just standard F1 ...as the mafia say ..it's only business

so on this basis , equal treatment next weekend !
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lebesset wrote:I must admit that my thought on the merry-go-round are a little different to most
McLaren want someone with a future so will keep kevin ? well actually the someone they want for the future ....lewis !
so lewis is waiting to see what happens at McLaren before he commits to mercedes beyond 2015 , 2015 will show him what honda have produced ...but he isn't going to tell mercedes yet ...they want him to sign so will be happy for him to be WDC this year , but if he won't nico will be getting a helping hand ;
so there is still hope for jenson , lewis not WDC and tells big Mac he will come back if the car is any good so a sixth year would be the best bet ; if lewis decides not to extend , who could they get to replace him in 2016 if he decided he would like to stay because McLaren didn't look as good ?

machiavellian ? not a bit ...just standard F1 ...as the mafia say ..it's only business

so on this basis , equal treatment next weekend !
As Will Buxton described in this great article: http://willthef1journo.wordpress.com/20 ... -hamilton/ Lewis wasn't happy/comfortable at all with McLaren's drivers treatment and rules. I doubt they will change that only because of Lewis in the future.

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Why would lewis want to go to Mclaren?? Even if they manage to build a competent car they are so strategically inept that they would throw it away. At least Mercedes are the class of the field.

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mrluke wrote:Why would lewis want to go to Mclaren?? Even if they manage to build a competent car they are so strategically inept that they would throw it away. At least Mercedes are the class of the field.
mercedes may , for the moment , have the fastest car , but reliability ????

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lebesset wrote:I must admit that my thought on the merry-go-round are a little different to most
McLaren want someone with a future so will keep kevin ? well actually the someone they want for the future ....lewis !
so lewis is waiting to see what happens at McLaren before he commits to mercedes beyond 2015 , 2015 will show him what honda have produced ...but he isn't going to tell mercedes yet ...they want him to sign so will be happy for him to be WDC this year , but if he won't nico will be getting a helping hand ;
so there is still hope for jenson , lewis not WDC and tells big Mac he will come back if the car is any good so a sixth year would be the best bet ; if lewis decides not to extend , who could they get to replace him in 2016 if he decided he would like to stay because McLaren didn't look as good ?

machiavellian ? not a bit ...just standard F1 ...as the mafia say ..it's only business

so on this basis , equal treatment next weekend !
As Will Buxton described in this great article: http://willthef1journo.wordpress.com/20 ... -hamilton/ Lewis wasn't happy/comfortable at all with McLaren's drivers treatment and rules. I doubt they will change that only because of Lewis in the future.
not only has McLaren been forced to change but lewis is now in a position to write his own terms and conditions into a contract ...would they turn him down? I think not
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Jonnycraig wrote:Not sure what people are worrying so much about, Hamilton can afford to leave the toilet break a bit late, start from the pitlane and give the entire field a half lap lead start and still finish second. Anyone sitting at home worrying about reliability 4 days ahead of an F1 race needs some more fulfilment in their days.
Oh I wish. But I doubt it. I think there have been a couple of races that show that despite having a quicker car, passing them is another thing entirely. While it may be easy(ier) to pass the Renault and Ferrari powered cars in any DRS zone, the Mercedes engined ones are of a different caliber. Not impossible, but not a certainty either. If and how well this will work out, is very track and setup dependant, maybe even tyre state.

A good example is Hockenheim 2014, where Lewis couldn't make it past Bottas, or Hungary where he couldn't progress past Alonso. Different circuits, different challenges, different outcome... sure. They are just examples highlighting that while Mercedes is dominant, I wouldn't go as far to suggest that starting from the pitlane or even outside the top 5 will automatically and unquestionably yield a top-2 finish.

Yes, I need some more fulfilment - I agree - but my general feeling is that Lewis seems, for some reason, to attract above average bad luck (and yes, some of it is self inflicted too, no doubt) and I wouldn't put it past karma if something goes terribly wrong this weekend. :oops:

At this point, I'm seriously weighing up exiling myself to some lonely cave without any TV/radio/news reception until at least a month after this weekend until I feel strong enough to face how this last race has turned out. Anyone want to join? Image
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Phil wrote:
Jonnycraig wrote:Not sure what people are worrying so much about, Hamilton can afford to leave the toilet break a bit late, start from the pitlane and give the entire field a half lap lead start and still finish second. Anyone sitting at home worrying about reliability 4 days ahead of an F1 race needs some more fulfilment in their days.
Oh I wish. But I doubt it. I think there have been a couple of races that show that despite having a quicker car, passing them is another thing entirely. While it may be easy(ier) to pass the Renault and Ferrari powered cars in any DRS zone, the Mercedes engined ones are of a different caliber. Not impossible, but not a certainty either. If and how well this will work out, is very track and setup dependant, maybe even tyre state.

A good example is Hockenheim 2014, where Lewis couldn't make it past Bottas, or Hungary where he couldn't progress past Alonso. Different circuits, different challenges, different outcome... sure. They are just examples highlighting that while Mercedes is dominant, I wouldn't go as far to suggest that starting from the pitlane or even outside the top 5 will automatically and unquestionably yield a top-2 finish.

Yes, I need some more fulfilment - I agree - but my general feeling is that Lewis seems, for some reason, to attract above average bad luck (and yes, some of it is self inflicted too, no doubt) and I wouldn't put it past karma if something goes terribly wrong this weekend. :oops:

At this point, I'm seriously weighing up exiling myself to some lonely cave without any TV/radio/news reception until at least a month after this weekend until I feel strong enough to face how this last race has turned out. Anyone want to join? http://www.pistonheads.com/inc/images/getmecoat.gif
One month later in the news: Mercedes suspended from championship because of illegal part... .
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lebesset wrote:
mrluke wrote:Why would lewis want to go to Mclaren?? Even if they manage to build a competent car they are so strategically inept that they would throw it away. At least Mercedes are the class of the field.
mercedes may , for the moment , have the fastest car , but reliability ????
In the recent history, When was the last time a McLaren had a car with ultra good reliability? When was the year when McLaren didn't went back in development cycle, before bouncing back to find out that they are late in the season? When was the last season McLaren didn't ****ed up on strategy/pit stop stuff? On the contrary, Merc have shown great deal of reliability for a new formula engine which is frozen before finding out how good it is on Reliability. They have done a world class job in terms of strategy and pit stops. They are a team which has momentum, direction and importantly, a car that has been under continuous development and with every upgrade, has looked monstrous.

not only has McLaren been forced to change but lewis is now in a position to write his own terms and conditions into a contract ...would they turn him down? I think not
In all stupid theories, Lewis will go to McLaren only when he doesn't win the championship. As a loser, would he be in a position to DICTATE a contract of his complete liking? Wouldn't it be a embarrassing re-union, where a loser goes back and admit it was a mistake to leave them in the first place and he has come back to help them win again, which didn't happen first time?

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Phil wrote:
Jonnycraig wrote:Not sure what people are worrying so much about, Hamilton can afford to leave the toilet break a bit late, start from the pitlane and give the entire field a half lap lead start and still finish second. Anyone sitting at home worrying about reliability 4 days ahead of an F1 race needs some more fulfilment in their days.
Oh I wish. But I doubt it. I think there have been a couple of races that show that despite having a quicker car, passing them is another thing entirely. While it may be easy(ier) to pass the Renault and Ferrari powered cars in any DRS zone, the Mercedes engined ones are of a different caliber. Not impossible, but not a certainty either. If and how well this will work out, is very track and setup dependant, maybe even tyre state.

A good example is Hockenheim 2014, where Lewis couldn't make it past Bottas, or Hungary where he couldn't progress past Alonso. Different circuits, different challenges, different outcome... sure. They are just examples highlighting that while Mercedes is dominant, I wouldn't go as far to suggest that starting from the pitlane or even outside the top 5 will automatically and unquestionably yield a top-2 finish.
I can only imagine you haven't actually watched any of the racing if you think a Merc can start in 5th and not easily finish 2nd. :lol: , especially at Abu Dhabi with two mammoth DRS zones.

Using Hockenheim which only had 1 true DRS zone and Hamilton driving with a broken front wing isn't the best example either.

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With that last comment you have unearthed yourself a possible flaw: moving through the field is a risk on its own. If the overtakee makes a wrong judgement when Hamilton tries to overtake, it could damage Hamilton's car or worse end his race.

Remember 2012? It was wreckomania at Abu Dhabi. It's a serious risk. Even Vettel who got overall a bit lucky with the safety cars, broke his front wing. The dices rolled quite favorible for him that day, moving from last to thirth. But there's nothing that guarantees the same will happen with Hamilton.

I concede though that if parts of the PU show chances of breaking, they should be replaced.
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