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[NathanOlder]

Before Allison arrived rmember Mercedes had poor tyre preservation. Now it's arguably the best in the field.

All thanks to Pirelli for those thinner tread tyres and regular modifications as per Mercedes

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So they only modified the tyres on the Mercedes? thats a new one on me. Mercedes have been good on tyres for a few years now, how come the others haven't now become better?

Allison has a history of being involved in cars with good tyre life, yet you ignore that to talk trash about the guy.

[PlatinumZealot]

Before Allison arrived rmember Mercedes had poor tyre preservation. Now it's arguably the best in the field.

All thanks to Pirelli for those thinner tread tyres and regular modifications as per Mercedes

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The thin tyres were in 2013.
Mercedes was still harsh on it's tyres well after that.

[Just_a_fan]

Before Allison arrived rmember Mercedes had poor tyre preservation. Now it's arguably the best in the field.

All thanks to Pirelli for those thinner tread tyres and regular modifications as per Mercedes

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The same changes that other teams admitted benefitted them too? Those ones?

Your post is basically trolling.

[adrianjordan]

We're going to need a new thread by the time the car is actually launched and the season starts!!

[dans79]

We're going to need a new thread by the time the car is actually launched and the season starts!!

I agree unfortunately, the thinly veiled trolling is already getting out of hand!

[e30ernest]

Valtteri on Lewis:

oskari: what do you think the difference between you and lewis is, because we are talking about a sport with such small margins, what is it?

valtteri: he rarely has bad races, he’s adapts very well to every situation. i also have to say, to me i work very hard with the team, go over everything very precisely, but lewis, if he hears i have been at the factory two days, he goes for three days. if he feels uncertain about something, he does something to fix it. this year he was at the simulator almost every week, something he hasn’t done before, always going over things, and his commitment is something i can only take my hat off for, i believe that f1 maybe means more to him than it does for the rest of us drivers at the moment.

oskari: why?

valtteri: i don’t know, that you will have to ask the man himself! but he has that fire, i don’t know if it comes from his youth, that he always has to deliver and get more and show everyone what he can do

oskari: so you think the need to deliver and succeed is higher than anyone else’s?

valtteri: yeah, i think the last race of this season was a good example, i saw him many days after the race and the mood was still like at a funeral. even when he knows it wasn’t him who lost that race and he was robbed of it you know, it’s hard to swallow it being taken away like that. but you just wait and he’ll be back twice as strong as he does every time, that’s who he is

Source: https://eleyhsa.tumblr.com/post/6744279 ... e-topic-of

Valtteri thinks Lewis is coming back then. I'm taking this with a grain of salt (being Tumblr lol)

[Ryar]

Before Allison arrived rmember Mercedes had poor tyre preservation. Now it's arguably the best in the field.

All thanks to Pirelli for those thinner tread tyres and regular modifications as per Mercedes

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The thin tyres were in 2013.
Mercedes was still harsh on it's tyres well after that.

2013? Get your facts right please. Pirelli introduced thinner tread tyres in 2018 for 3 races and those were cake walk races for Mercedes and then those tyres were brought permanently in 2019 and that's how Mercedes tyre problems were gone.

[e30ernest]

All thanks to Pirelli for those thinner tread tyres and regular modifications as per Mercedes

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The thin tyres were in 2013.
Mercedes was still harsh on it's tyres well after that.

2013? Get your facts right please. Pirelli introduced thinner tread tyres in 2018 for 3 races and those were cake walk races for Mercedes and then those tyres were brought permanently in 2019 and that's how Mercedes tyre problems were gone.

I seem to remember their main rivals (Vettel @ Ferrari) also stating that the thinner tread turned out to be beneficial to all them. This is likely why they remained as a permanent change:

https://www.racefans.net/2018/05/15/thi ... el-admits/

[Ryar]

The thin tyres were in 2013.
Mercedes was still harsh on it's tyres well after that.

2013? Get your facts right please. Pirelli introduced thinner tread tyres in 2018 for 3 races and those were cake walk races for Mercedes and then those tyres were brought permanently in 2019 and that's how Mercedes tyre problems were gone.

I seem to remember their main rivals (Vettel @ Ferrari) also stating that the thinner tread turned out to be beneficial to all them. This is likely why they remained as a permanent change:

https://www.racefans.net/2018/05/15/thi ... el-admits/

It's a different story that it was beneficial to "all", because Ferrari and Red Bull had a wider setup window to accommodate any change. But why change in the first place? None other than Mercedes were struggling with tyres. This has been discussed with no end to it. The fact remains that, Mercedes' tyre problems were resolved with Pirelli changing compounds, not because Allison did some magic!

[e30ernest]

2013? Get your facts right please. Pirelli introduced thinner tread tyres in 2018 for 3 races and those were cake walk races for Mercedes and then those tyres were brought permanently in 2019 and that's how Mercedes tyre problems were gone.

I seem to remember their main rivals (Vettel @ Ferrari) also stating that the thinner tread turned out to be beneficial to all them. This is likely why they remained as a permanent change:

https://www.racefans.net/2018/05/15/thi ... el-admits/

It's a different story that it was beneficial to "all", because Ferrari and Red Bull had a wider setup window to accommodate any change. But why change in the first place? None other than Mercedes were struggling with tyres. This has been discussed with no end to it. The fact remains that, Mercedes' tyre problems were resolved with Pirelli changing compounds, not because Allison did some magic!

Vettel hinted the change was due to Mercedes and Red Bull:

https://www.racefans.net/2018/05/10/vet ... -red-bull/

Which Marko denies (and blames Merc) but hey, we all know what kind of stuff Marko says for the sake of politics:

https://www.autoweek.com/racing/formula ... -mercedes/

The change itself according to Pirelli was to manage tire temperatures better:

https://www.racefans.net/2018/04/07/inc ... ad-depths/

Believe what you want, but the teams did test the thicker spec again and ended up blistering:

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/thinn ... 3/5284893/

So it seems the consensus was the move was the correct one in the end. If you think it was done just to benefit Mercedes, then why didn't the other teams raise protests? Ferrari would have been prime contenders to protest that had it been done for Merc's sole benefit.

[Ryar]

I seem to remember their main rivals (Vettel @ Ferrari) also stating that the thinner tread turned out to be beneficial to all them. This is likely why they remained as a permanent change:

https://www.racefans.net/2018/05/15/thi ... el-admits/

It's a different story that it was beneficial to "all", because Ferrari and Red Bull had a wider setup window to accommodate any change. But why change in the first place? None other than Mercedes were struggling with tyres. This has been discussed with no end to it. The fact remains that, Mercedes' tyre problems were resolved with Pirelli changing compounds, not because Allison did some magic!

Vettel hinted the change was due to Mercedes and Red Bull:

https://www.racefans.net/2018/05/10/vet ... -red-bull/

Which Marko denies (and blames Merc) but hey, we all know what kind of stuff Marko says for the sake of politics:

https://www.autoweek.com/racing/formula ... -mercedes/

The change itself according to Pirelli was to manage tire temperatures better:

https://www.racefans.net/2018/04/07/inc ... ad-depths/

Believe what you want, but the teams did test the thicker spec again and ended up blistering:

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/thinn ... 3/5284893/

So it seems the consensus was the move was the correct one in the end. If you think it was done just to benefit Mercedes, then why didn't the other teams raise protests? Ferrari would have been prime contenders to protest that had it been done for Merc's sole benefit.

The only reason there was blistering in Spain with thicker tread was because of the newly laid tarmac. It was overplayed to show, everybody had problems with normal tread tyres, which was not the case for others on other tracks! But Mercedes had problems almost everywhere, other than the tracks where thinner tread was used.

[e30ernest]

This is off topic now so this will be my last response to this tangent:

It's a different story that it was beneficial to "all", because Ferrari and Red Bull had a wider setup window to accommodate any change. But why change in the first place? None other than Mercedes were struggling with tyres. This has been discussed with no end to it. The fact remains that, Mercedes' tyre problems were resolved with Pirelli changing compounds, not because Allison did some magic!

Vettel hinted the change was due to Mercedes and Red Bull:

https://www.racefans.net/2018/05/10/vet ... -red-bull/

Which Marko denies (and blames Merc) but hey, we all know what kind of stuff Marko says for the sake of politics:

https://www.autoweek.com/racing/formula ... -mercedes/

The change itself according to Pirelli was to manage tire temperatures better:

https://www.racefans.net/2018/04/07/inc ... ad-depths/

Believe what you want, but the teams did test the thicker spec again and ended up blistering:

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/thinn ... 3/5284893/

So it seems the consensus was the move was the correct one in the end. If you think it was done just to benefit Mercedes, then why didn't the other teams raise protests? Ferrari would have been prime contenders to protest that had it been done for Merc's sole benefit.

The only reason there was blistering in Spain with thicker tread was because of the newly laid tarmac. It was overplayed to show, everybody had problems with normal tread tyres, which was not the case for others on other tracks! But Mercedes had problems almost everywhere, other than the tracks where thinner tread was used.

Then why didn't everyone else protest this in 2018?

They did in 2019 (RB, Ferrari and Haas namely) but the majority of the teams welcomed the change so it was never overturned.

Isola also denies the thinner tread was beneficial to Mercedes alone:

"In Barcelona we had a race where Mercedes was dominating," he explained.

But then we had the in-season test after the race and Sebastian [Vettel] tested both the normal tread and the thinner tread and his comment was the thinner tread is better. His words, not mine.

So, we had Barcelona where it was clear that the thinner tread was better – I’m not talking about Mercedes.

In Paul Ricard we had a race with some situation that are not telling us that one car was a lot quicker than the other. In Silverstone Mercedes didn’t win the race.

So it’s difficult to say that the thinner tread was giving a clear advantage to one car or another.

[Ryar]

This is off topic now so this will be my last response to this tangent:

Vettel hinted the change was due to Mercedes and Red Bull:

https://www.racefans.net/2018/05/10/vet ... -red-bull/

Which Marko denies (and blames Merc) but hey, we all know what kind of stuff Marko says for the sake of politics:

https://www.autoweek.com/racing/formula ... -mercedes/

The change itself according to Pirelli was to manage tire temperatures better:

https://www.racefans.net/2018/04/07/inc ... ad-depths/

Believe what you want, but the teams did test the thicker spec again and ended up blistering:

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/thinn ... 3/5284893/

So it seems the consensus was the move was the correct one in the end. If you think it was done just to benefit Mercedes, then why didn't the other teams raise protests? Ferrari would have been prime contenders to protest that had it been done for Merc's sole benefit.

The only reason there was blistering in Spain with thicker tread was because of the newly laid tarmac. It was overplayed to show, everybody had problems with normal tread tyres, which was not the case for others on other tracks! But Mercedes had problems almost everywhere, other than the tracks where thinner tread was used.

Then why didn't everyone else protest this in 2018?

They did in 2019 (RB, Ferrari and Haas namely) but the majority of the teams welcomed the change so it was never overturned.

Isola also denies the thinner tread was beneficial to Mercedes alone:

"In Barcelona we had a race where Mercedes was dominating," he explained.

But then we had the in-season test after the race and Sebastian [Vettel] tested both the normal tread and the thinner tread and his comment was the thinner tread is better. His words, not mine.

So, we had Barcelona where it was clear that the thinner tread was better – I’m not talking about Mercedes.

In Paul Ricard we had a race with some situation that are not telling us that one car was a lot quicker than the other. In Silverstone Mercedes didn’t win the race.

So it’s difficult to say that the thinner tread was giving a clear advantage to one car or another.

Mario Isola was still talking about Barcelona in that article, which I already said what happened. Every team struggled with thicker tread in post race testing because of new tarmac.
In Silverstone Mercedes didn't win because Vettel got a better start, despite Hamilton pole and then Hamilton spun from Kimi contact and was plum last. Even then, he finished second!
Other teams in France is irrelevant as the point is, Mercedes didn't struggle in these GPs. It's not about if other teams were benefited or not, but Mercedes certainly benefited with the change of compound. Again, their tyre problems vanished with new compounds and not because of Allison (original point of debate).

[Stu]

Full stop please!! Way off topic now.

This is the 2022 Team thread…..

[PlatinumZealot]

Ryar you might have to start a separate topic for the perceived preferential advantages Mercedes has received over the years.