McLaren MP4-12C

[autogyro]

Panda, I am not saying that I do not like high performance road cars, or even that they pose any real environmental threat to the planet.
(I drive such cars regularily)
I am saying that the regulations that govern the use of such vehicles is very soon going to seriously restrict their use and eventualy it will get rid of them in anything near their present form completely.
It is a major technological revolution and so far few have recognised it.
There are answers but so far I have yet to find any of the 'old boys network' willing to take the plunge.

[Just_a_fan]

There was a high performance car manufacturer less than 20 miles from me who made similar claims two years ago.
The liquidator is clearing the factory at the moment.
McLaren do have a good name and of course Gordan Murray but IMO that will only stave off the end by about six extra Months.
Perhaps they have a hybrid version that works but just like with Ferrari I very much doubt it.
There is a technical revolution happening but it is not in performance road cars.

Gordon Murray isn't involved with the MP4-12C. He has his own little company trying to produce a city car.

Sure, performance cars are effectively dinosaurs (or will be soon), but so are alligators and they're still bloody effective in their own way...

[Just_a_fan]

Bold claim for McLaren to close down shop in 6 month.....

Ferrari's been making sub 8 MPG cars for years, as does Lambo and others, and I think they are only getting better business....as said their customer base does not give 2 cents about green movement like you believe. They buy their 150-200k cars in the pairs and buy a Prius to make them feel good. And their consumer market are way too small to lead any real changes in the industry.

You want real change, bring them to the market in affordable cars....But regardless, it will not happen by yapping on a internet board criticizing everyone else's work....

Those who buy performance road cars at the top prices are mostly the people who take their money out of the countries they live in and avoid paying taxes. Many are the very -ankers who are directly involved with the banks that have recently and continue to 'steal' money from the worlds majority.
Their day is very nearly over, smell the roses.
Electric and hybrid vehicles are coming to the market, it is only vested interest in fossil fuels that is holding up the process and forcing everyone to suffer because of it.
It is not 'what I want'. it is inevitable. Those who ignore it are going to lose out big time.

Electric cars are dead in the water as far as the UK is concerned. In 5-10 years time we won't have enough electricity to run our house lights lets alone charge up electric cars.

Even if we started building today, we wouldn't have sufficient generating capacity in time for the existing generating stocks' planned demise.

[autogyro]

Thats strange just a fan, My local school will soon be self sufficient on wind turbine and solar panel energy and soon my house will be to.
We have a Town project on bio heating oil and an electric school bus on the way.
You had better start running to catch up mate.
Oh yea, there is a party to vote for in the coming elections that will help your energy with your energy fears of course.
I hope you bother to vote and think about it.
The MP4-12C is already ancient history and ancient technology and they have not sold one yet.

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

The MP4-12C would be a magnificent "dinosaur"!As would the 458 and SLS AMG.

Of the 3 The SLS will succeed as it has the "green" option on the way. Love to see a head to head between the 458, Mclaren and the speculated SLS AMG BLACKSERIES.

[thestig84]

Thats strange just a fan, My local school will soon be self sufficient on wind turbine and solar panel energy and soon my house will be to.
We have a Town project on bio heating oil and an electric school bus on the way.
You had better start running to catch up mate.
Oh yea, there is a party to vote for in the coming elections that will help your energy with your energy fears of course.
I hope you bother to vote and think about it.
The MP4-12C is already ancient history and ancient technology and they have not sold one yet.

Where do you live?! I think you are a bit of an isolated case. My local school doesnt even probably have energy saving bulbs, my house does have bulbs! Town saps major power in every sense and every single bus is diesel.

Calling the MP4-12C is already ancient history is as ott as where you live by the sounds of it!

[Just_a_fan]

Thats strange just a fan, My local school will soon be self sufficient on wind turbine and solar panel energy and soon my house will be to.
We have a Town project on bio heating oil and an electric school bus on the way.
You had better start running to catch up mate.
Oh yea, there is a party to vote for in the coming elections that will help your energy with your energy fears of course.
I hope you bother to vote and think about it.
The MP4-12C is already ancient history and ancient technology and they have not sold one yet.

So the wind always blows at your local school? If not, will the solar panels power the school on their own?
Bio heating oil? What is the bio source?
The MP4-12C might be ancient history but they will sell lots and the people who buy them will be able to afford to "waste" oil on running them. That's the point of being rich - you can buy stuff others can't afford to buy. Like expensive cars or (eventually) hard to come by fossil fuels...

[andrew]

Thats strange just a fan, My local school will soon be self sufficient on wind turbine and solar panel energy and soon my house will be to.
We have a Town project on bio heating oil and an electric school bus on the way.
You had better start running to catch up mate.
Oh yea, there is a party to vote for in the coming elections that will help your energy with your energy fears of course.
I hope you bother to vote and think about it.
The MP4-12C is already ancient history and ancient technology and they have not sold one yet.

A wind turbine on your local school? I take it you live near it and the fan is powered by all your hot air.

Energy usage will keep rising year on year and the truth is that nothing can be done. Yes, we can all start using wind turbines and solar power and hydrogen fuel cells but look at the manufacturing and installation processes. Consider wind turbines. They have to be manufactured, transported to site (3 turbines went up about 15 miles north of Aberdeen. These were shipped to Peterhead and then a convoy of artic's and escort vehicles spent a good few days transporting the various parts to site). A dirty great lump of concrete is then poured into the ground and the mast and turbine is blted on top all using diesel powered vehicles. Not very eco-friendly so far is it? So the turbine will be zooming round and round and how long until the carbon foot print created so far by the turbine is offset?

If you think that wind turbines and solar panels are environmentally friendly, you are surely living in cloud cuckoo land.

Can someone tell me where the McLaren MP4-12C ties into all this? Does it have a solar panel on the roof? Face it, it's a super car. They are meant to drink fuel or else they would just be regular cars wouldn't they.

And just to worry Autogyro, I'm saving up for a Bugatti Veyron, a Ferrari F40 and a Ferrari Enzo. And I will drive them to the end of my street just to get a pint of milk and a paper because I can!

[bhall]

...you are surely living in cloud cuckoo land.

This just feels like spinning plates.

[Giblet]

Let's keep this on the topic on hand guys. No need for slinging of carbon at each other in this particular thread, or at all. Start a new thread if it is that important for you to continue.

Opinions can differ without calling each other insane. Actually it's just one side doing that.

[autogyro]

I might be insane but I do not have to save up for a supercar, we have got four of them in various stages of rebuild.
I certainly do not have to buy a poor Lotus copy from McLaren at four times the price.

[autogyro]

Thats strange just a fan, My local school will soon be self sufficient on wind turbine and solar panel energy and soon my house will be to.
We have a Town project on bio heating oil and an electric school bus on the way.
You had better start running to catch up mate.
Oh yea, there is a party to vote for in the coming elections that will help your energy with your energy fears of course.
I hope you bother to vote and think about it.
The MP4-12C is already ancient history and ancient technology and they have not sold one yet.

A wind turbine on your local school? I take it you live near it and the fan is powered by all your hot air.

Energy usage will keep rising year on year and the truth is that nothing can be done. Yes, we can all start using wind turbines and solar power and hydrogen fuel cells but look at the manufacturing and installation processes. Consider wind turbines. They have to be manufactured, transported to site (3 turbines went up about 15 miles north of Aberdeen. These were shipped to Peterhead and then a convoy of artic's and escort vehicles spent a good few days transporting the various parts to site). A dirty great lump of concrete is then poured into the ground and the mast and turbine is blted on top all using diesel powered vehicles. Not very eco-friendly so far is it? So the turbine will be zooming round and round and how long until the carbon foot print created so far by the turbine is offset?

If you think that wind turbines and solar panels are environmentally friendly, you are surely living in cloud cuckoo land.

Can someone tell me where the McLaren MP4-12C ties into all this? Does it have a solar panel on the roof? Face it, it's a super car. They are meant to drink fuel or else they would just be regular cars wouldn't they.

And just to worry Autogyro, I'm saving up for a Bugatti Veyron, a Ferrari F40 and a Ferrari Enzo. And I will drive them to the end of my street just to get a pint of milk and a paper because I can!

Of course there is something that can be done to sort out the environment.
We can send you Jeremy Clarkson and all the other motor heads to an island in the Atlantic with one McLaren MP4-12C and five gallons of petrol and leave you to it.
I wonder who would plant the first potato and who would be first to cry for his mummy?

[JohnsonEvilTwin]

4 supercars in various stages of rebuild?

What engines and chassis are you using autogyro? Im interested as I have a dream of putting an F20C Honda 2.0 into a Lotus Elise at some stage.
Mid engined would struggle with the honda tranny as would the engine layout

[autogyro]

Neither the Elise or the McLaren MP4-12C can be described as asupercars IMO.
They are both light weight sports cars.
I see little point in using a Honda or any other high performance engine into the Elise if it is based on a front engine rear wheel drive instalation.
There would be to much work involved when the engine in the car can be modified to a level of performance that would be sufficient for most purposes.
Both these cars get most of their benefits from handling not huge power outputs although the Macca does have enough.

[machin]

A front engine car swap into an Elise would be easy.. the elise has a transverse engine and gearbox layout, just like a FWD car... only difference is its mounted behind the driver rather than infront of it... so you can use a Honda FWD engine and gearbox!

I've seen plenty of these conversions in various race series...