EU slams Ferrari over Marlboro partnership

[autogyro]

I think the subliminal message is present and fairly crass - SF in the logo blatantly is telling us to "Smoke Fags", why didn't we notice earlier?

How could you, such things are not on your 'global greed' radar.
i.e. "Call me what you like as long as it pays well".

[xpensive]

And MP4 means really "Four Packs Minimum". Backwards, very subtle.

[autogyro]

Why are you bothering with the adverts?
It does not matter if the cars are completely blank, sponsorship was paid to Ferrari by a tobacco company and that is all there is to it.

[timbo]

Why are you bothering with the adverts?
It does not matter if the cars are completely blank, sponsorship was paid to Ferrari by a tobacco company and that is all there is to it.

A deal implies that both sides offer something to one another.
If there's no advertising, you can speculate it's donation.

[autogyro]

Why are you bothering with the adverts?
It does not matter if the cars are completely blank, sponsorship was paid to Ferrari by a tobacco company and that is all there is to it.

A deal implies that both sides offer something to one another.
If there's no advertising, you can speculate it's donation.

Do me a favour, that is exactly the same thing, sponsorship.
Ferrari is the furthest thing there is to a charity.

[autogyro]

There is one good thing for Ferrari that comes out of this.
The workers there can now see how important it is to get rid of Motezemolo if they want any kind of decent future for themselves.

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

Can we not all agree that Ferrari recieving enormous quantities of cash from Phillip Morris is disgraceful?
No other team does and, EU law forbids Tobacco advertising within sport. F1 included.

Why can Ferrari or Phil Morris activley deny it when it is so blatantly obvious.
1.The Marlboro red and white is bar-coded on the car and on the overalls, it doesnt take a genius to figure that out.CHECK
2.Ferrari recive money(huge sums) to do so. CHECK

Open and closed case.

Ferrari guilty of breaking the sponsorship and advertising law.

Will anything get done about it? Dont hold your breath.......

[manchild]

This could have much bigger impact on tobacco industry globally. If some sort of verdict comes along, it will be one more nail in the coffin of legalized poisoning.

All evils are connected, and it might seam illogical now, but it is becoming more and more visible. Corporate exploitation, wars, pollution, human rights violation, animal rights violation, etc. it all has the same root.

[jon-mullen]

I'm sorry, but I can't think of anything more patriarchal than telling people what they can and can't put into their bodies.

The tobacco industry is responsible for a host of abuses, the most heinous to my mind being the enslavement and economic disadvantaging of a few entire races of people in the New World. And yes, it's highly addictive and very damaging to your health.

I myself started when I was 18 (at a time when the majority of advertising was already outlawed here), and although I haven't smoked one in a while, I still rely on nicotine replacements every now and again when a craving gets all up in my face. However, watching old races doesn't give me cravings, and seeing a barcode certainly doesn't either. Other people smoking in front of me does (mostly the smell), and there's nothing I can do about it without violating what I think is their right, so I have to live with it and make my own decisions, just like everyone has the ability to do.

[manchild]

Teaching young people and influencing unenlightened adults to stop doing something for their own good is not patriarchal.

Patriarchal = imposing traditional unquestionable dogma by self-proclaimed authority, regardless if it is good or bad (and it usually is bad).

In general, influence of elite is a good thing. Influence of unenlightened mass is very bad thing.

Those who told you to wash your hands after using toiled and before a meal, weren't patriarchal imposers but well-meaning.

[jon-mullen]

I see your point, and I guess you're saying that a mode of living that puts so much emphasis on consumption would encourage cigarette use, and I can agree with that. I put tobacco in the same category as poppies, plants which everyone would be better off if they'd never existed. It's unfortunate, but they do exist, and if you're going to use up time and political capital regulating them, I think it could be better spent on any of those other horrors you mentioned above.

[Giblet]

I see your point, and I guess you're saying that a mode of living that puts so much emphasis on consumption would encourage cigarette use, and I can agree with that. I put tobacco in the same category as poppies, plants which everyone would be better off if they'd never existed. It's unfortunate, but they do exist, and if you're going to use up time and political capital regulating them, I think it could be better spent on any of those other horrors you mentioned above.

I liked those poppies when I almost lost my arm and needed morphine

I completely get your point however, but tobacco has no redeeming qualities whatsoever.

My whole beef with this Marlboro thing is that if they are not breaking laws, they are defying common sense. This could blow up in Ferrari's face.

It reminds me of when I was a kid, and was jumping on my bed. My mom said "If I see you jumping up and down on your bed, you are going to be in big trouble".

I responded "What if you don't see me?" Ferrari and PJM are doing very little different.

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

Thing is, why havent other teams questioned this?

I have noticed the "bar coded" marlboro ensign, surely other teams have too.
Do you think other teams held off quering it for fear of being labelled "moaners"?

[autogyro]

Thing is, why havent other teams questioned this?

I have noticed the "bar coded" marlboro ensign, surely other teams have too.
Do you think other teams held off quering it for fear of being labelled "moaners"?

Because until recently the big manufacturer teams held everyone else to ransom and the smaller teams dared not rock the boat, that is why.
Fota and the attempt to destabalise the FIA by any means available, was the big teams trying to hold on to that power.
The results today are making this all obvious to everyone.

[Pandamasque]

Why are you bothering with the adverts?
It does not matter if the cars are completely blank, sponsorship was paid to Ferrari by a tobacco company and that is all there is to it.

A deal implies that both sides offer something to one another.
If there's no advertising, you can speculate it's donation.

Do me a favour, that is exactly the same thing, sponsorship.
Ferrari is the furthest thing there is to a charity.

Hang on. So if a government doesn't advertise tabacco products but receives huge loads of money from tabacco companies that's called excise. When a racing team does just that it's called sponsorship, right?