Hungarian GP 2010 - Hungaroring

[imightbewrong]

Hungary FP2:

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Pos  Driver         Team                    Time              Laps
 1.  Vettel         Red Bull-Renault        1:20.087            33
 2.  Alonso         Ferrari                 1:20.584  + 0.497   34
 3.  Webber         Red Bull-Renault        1:20.597  + 0.510   36
 4.  Massa          Ferrari                 1:20.986  + 0.899   33
 5.  Petrov         Renault                 1:21.195  + 1.108   33
 6.  Hamilton       McLaren-Mercedes        1:21.308  + 1.221   30
 7.  Kubica         Renault                 1:21.375  + 1.288   37
 8.  Hulkenberg     Williams-Cosworth       1:21.623  + 1.536   41
 9.  Button         McLaren-Mercedes        1:21.730  + 1.643   33
10.  Schumacher     Mercedes                1:21.773  + 1.686   31
11.  de la Rosa     Sauber-Ferrari          1:21.809  + 1.722   38
12.  Barrichello    Williams-Cosworth       1:21.844  + 1.757   36
13.  Rosberg        Mercedes                1:22.039  + 1.952   28
14.  Kobayashi      Sauber-Ferrari          1:22.212  + 2.125   37
15.  Alguersuari    Toro Rosso-Ferrari      1:22.469  + 2.382   43
16.  Sutil          Force India-Mercedes    1:22.507  + 2.420   22
17.  Buemi          Toro Rosso-Ferrari      1:22.602  + 2.515   38
18.  Liuzzi         Force India-Mercedes    1:23.138  + 3.051   36
19.  Trulli         Lotus-Cosworth          1:24.553  + 4.466   37
20.  Glock          Virgin-Cosworth         1:25.376  + 5.289   35
21.  di Grassi      Virgin-Cosworth         1:25.669  + 5.582   32
22.  Senna          HRT-Cosworth            1:26.745  + 6.658   33
23.  Yamamoto       HRT-Cosworth            1:26.798  + 6.711   32
24.  Kovalainen     Lotus-Cosworth          1:27.705  + 7.618    5

lets compare this to Monaco FP2:

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Pos  Driver         Team                   Time              Laps
 1.  Alonso         Ferrari                 1:14.904            36
 2.  Rosberg        Mercedes                1:15.013  + 0.109   39
 3.  Vettel         Red Bull-Renault        1:15.099  + 0.195   47
 4.  Massa          Ferrari                 1:15.120  + 0.216   44
 5.  Schumacher     Mercedes                1:15.143  + 0.239   38
 6.  Kubica         Renault                 1:15.192  + 0.288   38
 7.  Hamilton       McLaren-Mercedes        1:15.249  + 0.345   32
 8.  Sutil          Force India-Mercedes    1:15.460  + 0.556   42
 9.  Button         McLaren-Mercedes        1:15.619  + 0.715   37
10.  Webber         Red Bull-Renault        1:15.620  + 0.716   28
11.  Petrov         Renault                 1:15.746  + 0.842   44
12.  Buemi          Toro Rosso-Ferrari      1:16.276  + 1.372   46
13.  Hulkenberg     Williams-Cosworth       1:16.348  + 1.444   48
14.  Barrichello    Williams-Cosworth       1:16.522  + 1.618   37
15.  Liuzzi         Force India-Mercedes    1:16.528  + 1.624   42
16.  de la Rosa     Sauber-Ferrari          1:16.599  + 1.695   36
17.  Kobayashi      Sauber-Ferrari          1:16.818  + 1.914   45
18.  Alguersuari    Toro Rosso-Ferrari      1:17.023  + 2.119   28
19.  Kovalainen     Lotus-Cosworth          1:18.184  + 3.280   47
20.  di Grassi      Virgin-Cosworth         1:18.478  + 3.574   38
21.  Trulli         Lotus-Cosworth          1:18.667  + 3.763   13
22.  Glock          Virgin-Cosworth         1:18.721  + 3.817   41
23.  Chandhok       HRT-Cosworth            1:20.313  + 5.409   35
24.  Senna          HRT-Cosworth            1:22.148  + 7.244   11

So, regarding McLarens pace, it is not something new. Their car just isn't suited for high downforce tracks.

[outer_bongolia]

So, regarding McLarens pace, it is not something new. Their car just isn't suited for high downforce tracks.

It would be terrible for them if they had actually fallen behind by 1.5 seconds.

[marcush.]

Obviously either Montecarlo is not like Hungaroring or REDBull has leapfrogged the competition completely...with Ferrari the onl ones who have done a half step compared to RB.

As predicted.RB and Ferrari to the front ,Renault 3rd and Macs follow Mercedes will struggle to get both cars in Q3 ,williams will be good.

[raymondu999]

I'm not sure if I was seeing things, but it seemed that Vettel and Webber seemed quite matching each other on the options (they just traded fastest laps, always within half a tenth to a tenth (or thereabouts) from each others' pace. Then they bolt on the softs, and Vettel seems to gain a lot more than Webber? Anyone else catch this?

[donskar]

Somewhat surprised to see so many pronouncements from posters after just practice. McL always (almost) gets better overnight.

I dislike (but respect) McL and Hamilton; they'll be in the chase on Sunday. Hoping Alonso has a mistake-free race.

[ringo]

Why is Alonso 1/2 a second ahead of Massa?
Was alonso on soft tyres, or maybe he was testng the ebd ignition map and Massa was not using it?
I missed out fp2

[Mr Alcatraz]

Why is Alonso 1/2 a second ahead of Massa?
Was alonso on soft tyres, or maybe he was testng the ebd ignition map and Massa was not using it?
I missed out fp2

4/10! They both used options. Massa got into the dirt, contaminating one set. I'm thinking they will be closer in qualy! Fred was very good in s1 again
Only Petrov matched his s1 time, which leads me to believe RBR, Ferrari, and McLaren have a little time in hand!

[WhiteBlue]

There was actually 7/10 between Vettel and Webber based on a lap that Vettel had traffic and did not finish. So that seems to indicate that the whole field was wide off the quali pace. I would not read much into the pace of the Ferraris particularely. They seldom reveal their real pace on Friday.

[godlameroso]

Anyone think we'll see 1:18's?

[StrFerrari4Ever]

Anyone think we'll see 1:18's?

I think they'll creep into the 18's the RB6's in particular. I'd say a high 1:18 or even a mid 18!

[WhiteBlue]

Is anybody agreeing that the Hungaroring is simply to small and short for F1 now? I honstly think thay should set the minimum length for new tracks at four miles or six kms.

[univex]

I'm not sure if I was seeing things, but it seemed that Vettel and Webber seemed quite matching each other on the options (they just traded fastest laps, always within half a tenth to a tenth (or thereabouts) from each others' pace. Then they bolt on the softs, and Vettel seems to gain a lot more than Webber? Anyone else catch this?

SV fastest time came in the quali simulation stint, second last low fuel and softs. This was a handful of laps. SV did a couple more than MW. MW did not get a good time.
The next stint was the simulation for the start of the race, heavy fuel and softs. Here is the comment on this section from autosport.com:

89 min: It is of course impossible to tell if the Red Bull duo have exactly the same amount of fuel on board, but Webber has been typically two or three-tenths up on the German in the first sector, and then it levels out in the final two sectors.

SV did fewer laps in the final stint (1 or 2 laps less).

[djos]

Is anybody agreeing that the Hungaroring is simply to small and short for F1 now? I honstly think thay should set the minimum length for new tracks at four miles or six kms.

nope, I 100% disagree!

[forty-two]

Is anybody agreeing that the Hungaroring is simply to small and short for F1 now? I honstly think thay should set the minimum length for new tracks at four miles or six kms.

nope, I 100% disagree!

Unusually for me, this is an issue which I have no opinion on, for the time being at least. The overall race distance is roughly equal for all circuits, so I guess longer circuits will tend to punish a driver who suffers a puncture/broken wing etc. more than shorter ones do, but I don't know if that's good, bad or indifferent.

There are some fantastic circuits out there which are pretty short, but there are also some which are long.

[volarchico]

Is anybody agreeing that the Hungaroring is simply to small and short for F1 now? I honstly think thay should set the minimum length for new tracks at four miles or six kms.

It means we'll only have ~6 cars not lapped by at least one lap at the end. Lots of overtaking the slower cars could make for some interesting racing?