Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team 2013

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beelsebob wrote:Oh dear, that's smelling a lot of "the beatings will continue until morale improves".
It smells to me more like, "There's no such thing as tenure here. Your value to the team is based on how well you do your job now; I'm not going to be giving any slack to senior staff just because they've been here forever."

I see that as a good thing.

Also, it looks like things are safe for Brawn now, after the team's performance over the past 4 races. All of this sounds very promising to me. The improvements behind the scenes are finally settling in.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/107106

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Toto rates a 6/10 for the performance of the team ahead of Barcelona

http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2013/04/j ... hallenges/

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I wonder if Brackley makes use of this...

http://www.benzinsider.com/2013/05/virt ... simulator/

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The Mercedes W04 will look visibly different at this weekend’s Spanish Grand Prix in Barcelona, according to Niki Lauda.

And the team’s chairman and co-owner is not just talking about the big package of upgrades to mark the start of 2013′s European phase.

Frank Schneider, the correspondent for German newspaper Bild, said the major change is “the livery — more silver, less grey”.

Lauda confirmed: “We wanted the car to look even more the ‘Silver Arrow’. And we believe this is also good for the team because a new look brings new motivation.”

More importantly, however, are the changes beneath the paint. For the Spanish Grand Prix, the ‘more silver’ W04 has a new exhaust, and new front and rear wings.

“During the European season we want to increase by one to two tenths per track. We did a good job for the beginning of the season,” Lauda continued. “Now it’s vital to develop the car faster than the competition.”

Some have even suggested Mercedes is the favourite to win in Barcelona, given the car’s field-beating form during the pre-season test at the same circuit.

Lauda said: “No, we’re not the favourite. Pirelli is bringing new tyres and no one knows yet how they work — they’ve been very thin with information.” (GMM)

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khaliweed wrote:
The Mercedes W04 will look visibly different at this weekend’s Spanish Grand Prix in Barcelona, according to Niki Lauda.

And the team’s chairman and co-owner is not just talking about the big package of upgrades to mark the start of 2013′s European phase.

Frank Schneider, the correspondent for German newspaper Bild, said the major change is “the livery — more silver, less grey”.

Lauda confirmed: “We wanted the car to look even more the ‘Silver Arrow’. And we believe this is also good for the team because a new look brings new motivation.”

More importantly, however, are the changes beneath the paint. For the Spanish Grand Prix, the ‘more silver’ W04 has a new exhaust, and new front and rear wings.

“During the European season we want to increase by one to two tenths per track. We did a good job for the beginning of the season,” Lauda continued. “Now it’s vital to develop the car faster than the competition.”

Some have even suggested Mercedes is the favourite to win in Barcelona, given the car’s field-beating form during the pre-season test at the same circuit.

Lauda said: “No, we’re not the favourite. Pirelli is bringing new tyres and no one knows yet how they work — they’ve been very thin with information.” (GMM)
Isn't it a shame, how Merc have tried to claim the term "Silver Arrows" as their own? The original term was more generic and applied equally to Auto Union.

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gilgen wrote:Isn't it a shame, how Merc have tried to claim the term "Silver Arrows" as their own? The original term was more generic and applied equally to Auto Union.
The original racing color for Germany was white. The first time silver was used was when Mercedes didn't paint their car in order to save some weight. Auto Union then copied them. But hey, no one said there was anything wrong with Auto Union showing up and painting their cars silver too. ;-)

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and what colour is Mclaren? :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

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Orange

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now back to the silver arrows

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All silver with black petronas would look super sexy.
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Isn't a consensus among the teams required to change the livery?
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More silver, less grey. I love it. The old livery is a bit boring imo. We have to wait and see, but Ithink it will be an improvement.
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Cocles wrote:
gilgen wrote:Isn't it a shame, how Merc have tried to claim the term "Silver Arrows" as their own? The original term was more generic and applied equally to Auto Union.
The original racing color for Germany was white. The first time silver was used was when Mercedes didn't paint their car in order to save some weight. Auto Union then copied them. But hey, no one said there was anything wrong with Auto Union showing up and painting their cars silver too. ;-)
Not sure if the winky smiley means you are being ironic ... If you are, sorry for telling you something you already know: I thought this whole scrape the paint off thing had been entirely discredited. The new Auto Unions ran silver first in '32 ... whether this was meant to be symbolic of the new union of manufacturers, or whether this was instead more political, casting aside the historical Weimar white for a modern, new, technological Reich is not clearly established, the timing is close, but who knows.

Mercedes joined AU and changed from white to silver. A Manfred von Brauchitsch driven Merc was called a Silver Arrow in '32. The race that everyone insists this was done for, the 1934 Eifelrennen, was a formula libre event, which therefore had no weight limit.

So maybe Alfred Neubauer was just an old man spinning a tale for a keen biography writer, a folksy scrape the paint-off fable like the story of the kid suggesting letting the air out truck tyres to get it under a bridge. Or maybe in the 50s Mercedes were a little uncomfortable about any previous association with a regime now much less in fashion that it once was. Despite things like dates and facts, the weight-saving Silver Arrows story refuses to die, never underestimate the power of a good creation myth to keep going.

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feynman wrote:
Cocles wrote:
gilgen wrote:Isn't it a shame, how Merc have tried to claim the term "Silver Arrows" as their own? The original term was more generic and applied equally to Auto Union.
The original racing color for Germany was white. The first time silver was used was when Mercedes didn't paint their car in order to save some weight. Auto Union then copied them. But hey, no one said there was anything wrong with Auto Union showing up and painting their cars silver too. ;-)
Not sure if the winky smiley means you are being ironic ... If you are, sorry for telling you something you already know: I thought this whole scrape the paint off thing had been entirely discredited. The new Auto Unions ran silver first in '32 ... whether this was meant to be symbolic of the new union of manufacturers, or whether this was instead more political, casting aside the historical Weimar white for a modern, new, technological Reich is not clearly established, the timing is close, but who knows.

Mercedes joined AU and changed from white to silver. A Manfred von Brauchitsch driven Merc was called a Silver Arrow in '32. The race that everyone insists this was done for, the 1934 Eifelrennen, was a formula libre event, which therefore had no weight limit.

So maybe Alfred Neubauer was just an old man spinning a tale for a keen biography writer, a folksy scrape the paint-off fable like the story of the kid suggesting letting the air out truck tyres to get it under a bridge. Or maybe in the 50s Mercedes were a little uncomfortable about any previous association with a regime now much less in fashion that it once was. Despite things like dates and facts, the weight-saving Silver Arrows story refuses to die, never underestimate the power of a good creation myth to keep going.
+10. Surprising how myth can suddenly become the "truth"! AU were never white, in the first place. And then there was one of the Merc team cars restored a year or so back, and it was proven categorically that it had NEVER been painted. But going back to my original comment, it is a shame that Merc continue the farce that "Silver Arrows" is their nomenclature.
Oh, and by the way, didn't McLaren also claim that THEIR cars were the return of the Silver Arrows too?

PS Thanks Richard, for creating this new thread. Sorry for going off topic!

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shopped :mrgreen:

original ( from F1Fanatic.co.uk )

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gilgen wrote: Thanks Richard, for creating this new thread. Sorry for going off topic!
It is funny how myths emerge ... this isn't a new thread!

I did move posts from the W04 thread if that's what you mean.