Infiniti Red Bull Racing 2015

[Cold Fussion]

If you had a different (cheaper) engine configuration that still conformed to the 100 kg/h fuel flow rate and the ~140 kg then it would be hopelessly noncompetitive because of the lack of hybrid recovery. Doing so will result in a two tier championship, even more so than the NA's vs Turbos in the 80's.

[Tommy Cookers]

not if a conventional twin turbo (without exhaust recovery) was allowed ?? ....
lag was no problem eg in 1988 and would be even less with these engines
with a corresponding lower weight limit
and everyone was allowed freedom for DF enhancing or DR use of exhaust flow
(without recovery the exhaust would be more energetic and/or more often available)

KE recovery would be unchanged
or could be raised a bit, say to 160 kW
(there's plenty of KE out there)

where's ringo when you need him !!

(yes, I am an exhaust recovery prophet)

[Cold Fussion]

I doubt any alternate engine would be a hybrid like the V6 engines, otherwise there would be limited cost savings.

[turbof1]

I have moved the last few posts about the Renault PU development/issues to the Renault PU topic

[wickedz50]

Its hard to believe that Renault does not have the solution. They wanted this kind of an engine in the first place. F1 is the place to showcase their strengths to bring the technology into the road cars. If Renault fails and pulls out of the sport in this manner then I have to say this will hit their road car sales very hard. We need to find out some truth about Renault's intention on their F1 engines.

[F1NAC]

From T.Gruener

Breaking news: According to AMuS information Red Bull is close to a deal with Honda about 2016 engine supply. AMuS

[bauc]

From T.Gruener

Breaking news: According to AMuS information Red Bull is close to a deal with Honda about 2016 engine supply. AMuS

Silly season continues, I'm just hearing of the same on Sky F1

[trinidefender]

From T.Gruener

Breaking news: According to AMuS information Red Bull is close to a deal with Honda about 2016 engine supply. AMuS

If that happens then I hope McLaren and Honda makes it clear that McLaren is the works team and Red Bull is the customer. I can see Red Bull trying to muscle their way to get works status.

[FoxHound]

I can see a "no moaning" clause inserted into any supply.

[Phil]

From T.Gruener

Breaking news: According to AMuS information Red Bull is close to a deal with Honda about 2016 engine supply. AMuS

If that happens then I hope McLaren and Honda makes it clear that McLaren is the works team and Red Bull is the customer. I can see Red Bull trying to muscle their way to get works status.

I can already see the conflict of interest. Ron himself made it very clear why McLaren moved to Honda from the best PU on the grid. Answer: it wasn't to enter a simple supplier-customer relationship.

[NL_Fer]

Rons biggest problem was that his supplier (Merc) was also a competitor. And could (did) influence the customers performance, by delivering lesser engines or manipulate information that is given to the customer.

Honda is not a competitor, so what would be the problem is both McLaren and Redbull would receive nr1 spec engines?

[Phil]

....because the PU is tied closer to the car. I.e. the honda is a seize zero concept which adds benefits in regards to aero, but has other compromises. I am fairly certain the Honda PU as it is in that McLaren is the direct result of both McLaren and Honda working together to find that right compromise for them. As it is with the Mercedes engine for the Mercedes car. Or Ferraris engine with their own car. If you have two equal partners as is rumoured, who is to say there will be no conflict of interest in design philosophies that have a direct consequence of the aero and chassis design of the car?

[bergie88]

Lets see how good McLaren's car really is

[basti313]

Think this is rather a thinking of former times like the Renault being good on aero and the Merc being good on power.
Today we only have good and bad engines: A bad Honda, a bad Renault, a good Ferrari and a good Merc. The Honda may be skinny, but among the good engines the Merc is the skinniest and Ferrari is trying to make their engine more skinny.
So I do not really see any chance for a conflict in the design of the engine. Both teams will be looking for competitive solutions.

[dans79]

Rons biggest problem was that his supplier (Merc) was also a competitor. And could (did) influence the customers performance, by delivering lesser engines or manipulate information that is given to the customer.

Please, stop posting complete garbage. They didn't deliver lesser engines, or manipulate data. What they did was optimize the engine to work with the works teams Aero & chassis Philosophy.