Spa wasn't Lewis' mistake even, it was Koba who turned into him. Lewis being 'too precise'!ENGINE TUNER wrote: ↑10 Apr 2020, 04:40Nonsense, Hamilton was clearly faster/better in 2011, but a combination of poor strategy, poor pit stops, getting hit by Button in canada, gearbox in brazil, and a couple small mistakes like in Spa allowed Button to score more points. Button didn't outdrive HAM, merely outscored him.
100% Hamilton's fault, and I'm as big a Ham fan you can find... I don't blame HAM for Brazil 2019, but I still see this as HAM'S fault, not much different than Japan 2011izzy wrote: ↑10 Apr 2020, 08:14Spa wasn't Lewis' mistake even, it was Koba who turned into him. Lewis being 'too precise'!ENGINE TUNER wrote: ↑10 Apr 2020, 04:40Nonsense, Hamilton was clearly faster/better in 2011, but a combination of poor strategy, poor pit stops, getting hit by Button in canada, gearbox in brazil, and a couple small mistakes like in Spa allowed Button to score more points. Button didn't outdrive HAM, merely outscored him.
nonsense
Lewis' wheel stay straight, Koba's wheels turn and the gap of his front wing to the kerb increases, before the contact. Watch the video, and stop it at the very first frame, 0.00s. 100% Koba.ENGINE TUNER wrote: ↑10 Apr 2020, 04:40
Nonsense, Hamilton was clearly faster/better in 2011, but a combination of poor strategy, poor pit stops, getting hit by Button in canada, gearbox in brazil, and a couple small mistakes like in Spa allowed Button to score more points. Button didn't outdrive HAM, merely outscored him.
Canada: Button squeezed Hamilton in to the pit wall, then came on the radio shouting "what's he doing?". Everyone talks about how great Button was that race, but they forget that one. Hamilton had Button as he was much better through the "wall of champions" chicane - the "great in wet conditions" Button was sliding all over the place. As he went for the overtake, Button came across, pushed Hamilton on the grass and they touched. Hamilton lost a rear tyre in the impact with the wall and Button was very lucky to get away with no meaningful damage.Wass85 wrote: ↑10 Apr 2020, 10:14ENGINE TUNER wrote: ↑10 Apr 2020, 04:40
Nonsense, Hamilton was clearly faster/better in 2011, but a combination of poor strategy, poor pit stops, getting hit by Button in canada, gearbox in brazil, and a couple small mistakes like in Spa allowed Button to score more points. Button didn't outdrive HAM, merely outscored him.
Complete baloney, I suggest you watch the season again.
I was referring to his point of Hamilton being faster all season when that is not the case at all. Towards the back end of the season Button stepped it up a level and Hamilton dropped back.Just_a_fan wrote: ↑10 Apr 2020, 11:13Canada: Button squeezed Hamilton in to the pit wall, then came on the radio shouting "what's he doing?". Everyone talks about how great Button was that race, but they forget that one. Hamilton had Button as he was much better through the "wall of champions" chicane - the "great in wet conditions" Button was sliding all over the place. As he went for the overtake, Button came across, pushed Hamilton on the grass and they touched. Hamilton lost a rear tyre in the impact with the wall and Button was very lucky to get away with no meaningful damage.Wass85 wrote: ↑10 Apr 2020, 10:14ENGINE TUNER wrote: ↑10 Apr 2020, 04:40
Nonsense, Hamilton was clearly faster/better in 2011, but a combination of poor strategy, poor pit stops, getting hit by Button in canada, gearbox in brazil, and a couple small mistakes like in Spa allowed Button to score more points. Button didn't outdrive HAM, merely outscored him.
Complete baloney, I suggest you watch the season again.
S'funny how that same thing would repeat 5 years later in Spain but with Rosberg in the Button role...
Let's put this thread back to the driving aspect pleaseENGINE TUNER wrote: ↑10 Apr 2020, 04:40Nonsense, Hamilton was clearly faster/better in 2011, but a combination of poor strategy, poor pit stops, getting hit by Button in canada, gearbox in brazil, and a couple small mistakes like in Spa allowed Button to score more points. Button didn't outdrive HAM, merely outscored him.
Yes. For that corner (was it bridge?) Schumacher was the Button and Herbert was the Hamilton, in terms of line and technique.Wass85 wrote: ↑09 Apr 2020, 23:27Speaking of MS being similar to LH, the video comparison of him and Herbert suggests that isn't the case. If I remember correctly Herbert was later on the brakes than Schumacher but was having a bigger lift whereas Schumacher lifted earlier but carried much more speed through the corner.
Yep which was quite surprising to me.raymondu999 wrote: ↑14 Apr 2020, 05:33Yes. For that corner (was it bridge?) Schumacher was the Button and Herbert was the Hamilton, in terms of line and technique.Wass85 wrote: ↑09 Apr 2020, 23:27Speaking of MS being similar to LH, the video comparison of him and Herbert suggests that isn't the case. If I remember correctly Herbert was later on the brakes than Schumacher but was having a bigger lift whereas Schumacher lifted earlier but carried much more speed through the corner.
These videos are fascinating but we need to remember they wasn't running with the same fuel. Does anyone have any fuel adjusted info on these particular laps? To me Alonso looks to have the heavier car.
From what I recall Alonso was usually faster in Q2? That puts end to the myth that he was not the best of qualifiers.raymondu999 wrote: ↑14 Apr 2020, 23:03IIRC they were only ever 1lap apart on Q3 fuel weights. Could be wrong. To my memory, whoever was faster in Q2 got the extra lap of fuel in Q3?
Also dont forget differing setups. Just because they had the same car wouldnt mean same setups.
