munudeges wrote:SectorOne wrote:Oh but you do, Schumacher had Mercedes pay for his first run by Mercedes.
Mclaren picked up Hamilton at the age of 13, Vettel was supported from a very early age.
No. Neither Mercedes or McLaren have an expensive driver programme that relies on providing a neverending conveyor belt of drivers.
Schumacher and Hamilton were picked up because they were promising, as they should be. What Red Bull are trying to do is entirely different, and you just can't keep running around finding drivers like that.
haha, that´s
exactly how driver development programs chooses their drivers. It´s not a lottery.
Wrong again, Mclaren are doing exactly what Red Bull are doing.
http://www.mclaren.com/formula1/team/yo ... programme/
Mercedes do not have a full fledged programme but they were highly involved in both Schumacher and Hamilton´s rise.
As Hamilton said when he moved team, he´s actually coming back home. Same with Bird.
munudeges wrote:This is not Ferrari you are talking about, who that is a top driver in their right mind would sign with Toro Rosso in that period? hell even today, who would? Nobody. So what you do you take? Medium drivers and development drivers.
I don't know what you're talking about there, and it certainly doesn't cover up Red Bull's incompetence with regards to Torro Rosso's drivers.
Every driver knows a Torro Rosso drive is a stepping stone to Red Bull. Pinning the blame on the quality of drivers Torro Rosso can supposedly attract is pretty desperate to be honest. Not even Marussia and Caterham have had driver turnover like Torro Rosso have.
And with Vettel and Ricciardo now at Red Bull, i´d say mission accomplished. How can you go around this?
STR has never been a world beating team, they have one win with universal alignment type luck for that one coupled with a star in the making. They have never attracted big names because it´s just not an intelligent approach for a top driver with more IQ then a rock.
munudeges wrote:And who´s in the car? Ricciardo.
So what is the problem? It´s normal for teams to look at the whole driver market, with or without a development programme.
Errr, yer. If they believed he was good enough there was nothing to look around at. That's the simple truth. Why bother unless you think there might be something better on offer who you want? You don't have different factions in a team announcing a driver without the other being told. You can't spin that any other way.
And yet, he´s good enough to actually get the seat. Your theory fails on this very simple fact and yet you ignore it everytime.
You honestly think they could not take Hamilton prior to going to Mercedes? Alonso? Raikkonen?
And yet they chose Ricciardo, because that´s the sensible thing to do with a programme like theirs.
munudeges wrote:More like some people´s mindset is to believe the supernatural, the controversial, the thin air.
I'm afraid things don't happen for no reason at all. You might want to believe that but it doesn't make for a quality debate, let's put it that way.
Things obviously happen for a reason. And the reason here is that Ricciardo stood out in their minds enough to warrant a seat.
Red bull is a well-oiled machine that has every single area under absolute control and performs brilliantly all the time.
To suggest there´s a huge war behind doors by Marko and Horner is ludicrous.
They all know their place in the team and this is exactly what keeps this machine going.
"If the only thing keeping a person decent is the expectation of divine reward, then brother that person is a piece of sh*t"
