Red Bull RB10 Renault

[Harsha]

My Friend asked me a question so i was asking it for the experts
Is It possible to run RB their Max Possible Downforce with the Current Down on Power Engine
As we know with out right power output the Drag makes them even slower, so is RB running their Full potential even in DF or not?

[Clown]

My Friend asked me a question so i was asking it for the experts
Is It possible to run RB their Max Possible Downforce with the Current Down on Power Engine
As we know with out right power output the Drag makes them even slower, so is RB running their Full potential even in DF or not?

Looking at the speed trap data for qualifying, both RB10's were dead last. Take from that what you will.
http://www.formula1.com/results/season/ ... _trap.html

[tim|away]

My Friend asked me a question so i was asking it for the experts
Is It possible to run RB their Max Possible Downforce with the Current Down on Power Engine
As we know with out right power output the Drag makes them even slower, so is RB running their Full potential even in DF or not?

You always have to deal with a compromise between drag penalty and straightline speed and this balance is optimised for laptime. Keep in mind that this is highly dependent on the track as well, which is why you see tracks such as Monza with minimal drag configuration and others such as Monaco with maximum downforce configuration. Having said that, you most certainly haven't seen the "max possible downforce" on the RB10 yet.

I assume what you are actually asking is whether RedBull have intentionally compromised their aero in order to compensate for a lack of power output. Without knowing the answer to that, I have seen no evidence for that. In fact, seeing both RedBulls on a regular basis low on the speed traps would rather indicate that they have not compromised their aero package. Additionally, removing drag to compensate for a lack of power output isn't as straightforward and trivial as one might imagine. Significant efforts to remove drag would have an inevitable impact on the balance of the car and could even affect the underlying philosophy that the car. I personally have a very hard time imagining that Adrian Newey would invest resources into such a workaround rather than to insist to solve the actual root of the problem.

[lio007]

Were there any additional cooling outlets? I haven't seen any.
I think they've used the same bodywork as in Australia. If so, big improvements of cooling the car in comparison to winter testing.

[Jano11]

The cooling issues of the RBR10 during the pre-season testing were related more to the packaging of the various PU components and to the issues they had with the control of their ES unit. Their software updates have helped alleviate those overheating issues.

[aleks_ader]

The cooling issues of the RBR10 during the pre-season testing were related more to the packaging of the various PU components and to the issues they had with the control of their ES unit. Their software updates have helped alleviate those overheating issues.

Yes! You had right.

Summary of their alleged problems;

Heat related:

Changing of battery (ERS) suppliers (if i remember right now is Pannasonic) .
And wastegate redesign (ERS heatsink energy "dump" sys were turned down).

Mehanical related:
And MGU-K shaft redesign.

And all that mods need tons and tons of SOFWARE modifications and reset-up work on the eletronics are still in very early stages.

That INFO are all came from forum user witch presumably works for Lotus.

[Blackout]

And the exhaust which kept burning the bodywork in Jerez like Newey said

Yes, that's what I think regarding the silver "thing". I think the silver material is an exhaust heatshield.

This might be the proof that the exhaust pipes are placed horizontal and low... (the golden heatschield)
They lie below the intercooler. The sidepod air duct is inbetween
http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.ph ... u=14795526

http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.ph ... u=14795526

[ebare]

Look at the details (yellow circles). The green part is even more interesting. I think it allows the upper 3 elements on the outer side of the wing to flex downwards on high speeds and it comes up again on low speed. Per default the outer part is set up a bit higher (adjustable by the 2 screws i suppose) to support low speed front downforce. Nice stuff!

Sorry to disappoint you guys but, despite joints being the weakest point of structures, i don’t think that’s something so exotic. Those are the outer mountings of the adjustable flaps, which are now very neatly integrated with the upper side of the wing, as opposed to those of the rb9s.


The mountings certainly extend further bellow the wing and the two depressions in yellow must be related to it. I believe the upper slot is to run higher downforce configurations, running steeper along the blue axis.

[Blackout]

[Gridlock]

I guess the wastegate exhaust junction is much earlier than in the Lotus then? Anything to be taken from that, as they're presumably running the same MGU-H?

[Phillyred]

Newey's RB incarnations have always had their strengths in the corners esp high speed corners to make up for straight line speed. It would be interesting to see a Mercedes PU in a RB this year.

[FrukostScones]

[emmepi27]

Rims: grained + silicium surface

[dren]

Packaging is very tight in the pod. Looks like an air to air cooler at the back. It almost looks a mess compared to the "packaged" carbon fiber units in the Mercedes pods.

[SpecialCircumstances]

Let's see what the "version 2" packaging will look like when/if it turns up in Barcelona. Could be a more integrated design.