USF1 -- F1's All-American Challenger

[xpensive]

It's of course old-geezer-school this, but I think my employer would have appreciated to be asked politely if they wished
to become a partner, before just being appointed to it after that I had met someone at a show?

Anyway, any news on the rumoured involvement in USF1 by the France-family?

[cooper-climax]

I usually try to avoid posting idle speculation, but just this once...

A couple of interesting things were announced around the Oct26th to Nov2nd week that the gearbox was selected.

This article http://www.f1sa.com/index.php?option=co ... Itemid=219 was published on the 27th. Denying that windsor had tried to change to Toyota engines.

Then Toyota officially withdrew on the 4th of Nov http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/ ... 902336.ece

Could it be that USF1 were in negotiation with Toyota, and therefore couldn't finalise the gearbox until it became clear that Toyota were leaving and they would have to stay with Cosworth?

Pure Speculation.

[marcush.]

It's of course old-geezer-school this, but I think my employer would have appreciated to be asked politely if they wished
to become a partner, before just being appointed to it after that I had met someone at a show?

Anyway, any news on the rumoured involvement in USF1 by the France-family?

we don´t know what these chaps did actually agree ,do we ? I´m sure they did not put up a logo etc on their website without permission ...okay its not ferrari that but
I´m sure all US companies are well aware of implications failing to ask for permission...

[Pandamasque]

BSF1 continue to share images of places they fancy
http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=1 ... 3461686185

[xpensive]

Crikeys more posts are we at page 100 yet - for gods sake nothing is or has been forthcoming from USF1 get a grip guys - Im sure you'd be laying everything that your doing with your brand new F1 effort out to public view I do know however it is all being documented on film for release later or so Im told

I honestly wish that I could write something different here, but if you scroll back this thread to page one, you will realize that this forum had it's share of healthy scepticism from day one, indeed from our US-based members at that.

Not much has changed since in terms of credibility, when everything coming from Windsor, in particular after the release of
that video, seems to be questioned by many people with xperience from the F1 business, including MrE himself actually.

There is nobody here who wishes USF1 to fail, certainly not because they present themselves as an American effort,
but I do believe that it is only natural that people will speculate when they are not satisfied with what is documented.

[Fil]

I have been saying this about once every 5 pages since it started. It's one thing to doubt in the way Fil is doubting, with information from suppliers who are concerned..

While I appreciate what seems to be a compliment about how I have predominantly posted in this thread, I honestly would love to see the team make the grid, in the best interests of the sport.

The problem is, there is little positive USF1 news available from any source, & the team hasn't relieved the doubts that emanate from the snippets of negative news we read. I just can't seem to find positive news stories about them, without massive holes, & going by the past 77 pages, many are having the same problem!

Even their most recent video has received criticism from cutting tool engineers & engineering technicians knowledgeable of the machinery & tooling that the team uses, saying the brands used are nowhere near industry leading, only fueling further doubts.


Time is running out for the team to make some serious progress. I guess the most positive outlook is that the most important part of their journey is yet to come, & if they get to Feb & manage to build a car to test, there is still hope for a 2010 existence.

[cooper-climax]

The next instalment of Peter's blog is on the site. http://www.usgpe.com/blog.html
Quite interesting.
Firstly, it's clear that PW has given up on a world audience, and is writing for America. "Don't go to Europe, it's cold and the people are lazy"

Secondly, he tells the current state of the build. it seems they are not much further on than in the photo of the tub with Nick Craw last year.

And the first chassis – top, bottom and nose – sits upon the Bay Cast flat plate in the R&D shop; it looks gorgeous. Soon we will be fitting all the electrical components, spring/damper units and suspension arms; the front and rear wing main planes are nearly finished and over in California Kenny Hill and Gordon Kimble are not too far away from completing the first batches of axles, hubs and bearing clusters.

I had rather assumed that the promised "Late November roller" had been delayed because of some problem with the tub, or other specific part, but production of other components had carried on according to plan. Now it seems that there was very little manufacturing done last year.

[scarbs]

Source: http://paddocktalk.com/news/html/module ... sid=125867

It seems USF1 are going to make their own gearbox with Weismann, also based near them in North Carolina. Weismann are well known for gearboxes, Gordon Murray used them at Brabham and again at McLaren (the mp4/4 Senna\Prost car). While innovative, they haven’t been in F1 since then (twenty years?). I suspect they will try something new with the gearbox in terms of shaft layout and shifting mechanisms. The other new teams are using the Xtrac gearbox and case, supplied as a package with the Cosworth engine.

Equally their CFD partner Corvid is new to F1 and single seaters, their motorsport experience being mainly Nascar and Corvette GT cars. The rest of their business being aerospace and defence, thus they may lack the background in cars with significant underbody downforce and in close proximity to the ground. The CFD results cannot be correlated to wind tunnel testing until the full car appears in the windshear tunnel. This isn’t likely to be until late January.

On the plus side they are working with JRI for dampers, Run by Jeff Ryan (the JR in JRI) he worked at Fox and latterly Penske shocks, so has an immense amount of knowledge of F1 and single seater (indycar) dampers.

[xpensive]

Interesting read scarbs, but what happened to this other gearbox supplier Emco, which was presented in November?

Who's this Anne Proffit btw?

[scarbs]

Anne Proffit is a US based journalist, she writes for some of the technical magazines (e.g. Race Engine Technology) So I can vouch for her knowledge.

I also noted the existence of EMCO as a partner on the USGPE site. So I have asked Weisman for a comment and guess I will have to wait to hear back (BTW USF1 never answer my emails!). Sadly the gearcase seen in the pictures of the car mocked up with the Cosworth engine, does not give us any further clues.

[xpensive]

Are you certain of this Weismann connection for USF1 scarbs, when their website says nothing about it?

http://www.weismann.net/

Weismann transmissions is located in Costa mesa, California btw, isn't it?

[scarbs]

Are you certain of this Weisman connection for USF1 scarbs, when their website says nothing about it?

http://www.weismann.net/

Lets see what Weismann say in reply to my email, I will crosscheck with Anne if I can.

[madtown77]

Its possible that I am completely wrong here, but may some of the confusion about when they started have been caused by the August 2009 shutdown around F1? Would this have affected USF1?

[marcush.]

Source: http://paddocktalk.com/news/html/module ... sid=125867

It seems USF1 are going to make their own gearbox with Weismann, also based near them in North Carolina. Weismann are well known for gearboxes, Gordon Murray used them at Brabham and again at McLaren (the mp4/4 Senna\Prost car). While innovative, they haven’t been in F1 since then (twenty years?). I suspect they will try something new with the gearbox in terms of shaft layout and shifting mechanisms. The other new teams are using the Xtrac gearbox and case, supplied as a package with the Cosworth engine.

Equally their CFD partner Corvid is new to F1 and single seaters, their motorsport experience being mainly Nascar and Corvette GT cars. The rest of their business being aerospace and defence, thus they may lack the background in cars with significant underbody downforce and in close proximity to the ground. The CFD results cannot be correlated to wind tunnel testing until the full car appears in the windshear tunnel. This isn’t likely to be until late January.

On the plus side they are working with JRI for dampers, Run by Jeff Ryan (the JR in JRI) he worked at Fox and latterly Penske shocks, so has an immense amount of knowledge of F1 and single seater (indycar) dampers.

Weisman innovated the quickshift technology of todays f1 gearboxes ...so actually his knowledge came into F1 thru his involvement in williams-Honda and then Mclaren -Honda as far as i know .....they were also involved in the gearbox design for the Mclaren F1 street car a few years ago... so again old school

Jeff Ryans JRI must be one of the real assets on the USF1 partner list....

To me these guys in thwe states are more serious than we are made to see....

[Shrek]

To me it looks like USF1 is playing some poker, they're misleading the followers so when they do race, they'll surprise everybody