Red Bull RB8 Renault

[Owen.C93]

Here's a close up of what the pylons look like normally. That gap we saw earlier was just some metal that's normally there. Very curious.

[Pup]

I'd venture to guess that the connection is metal, with a bit of give to hold up to curbs and such. So I could see big hit to the underside of the wing causing it to bend out of shape like we see. The front of the wing is probably lower even though it doesn't look like it, and given the geometry of the whole thing, a small drop in the front would give a pretty big rise in the rear.

So, for me: unconcerned but still keeping the usual wary eye on this bunch.

[jammer84_03]

I would be willing to bet that the designers/engineers know the rules that they are according with and will not intentionally break them

2007 Ferrari flexi floor / Spygate
2007 Mclaren bridgewing
2005 BAR fuel tank episode
2003 Michelin tire width

1995 Toyota WRC team and use of illegal turbo's


I have been apart of a few open wheel teams in the SCCA. We have bent and broken so many rules and got caught on a few of them. Its the name of the game.

ex. Suspension components on one of "the cars" (wont say who or what as we still do it and it is in fact illegal) we have found the color combination used on the spec wishbones for the class of car we run. We have now made lighter components as well as used different lengths with modified mounting locations and painted them back to perfect to match. Over the last 7 years, not a single question has been raised. We have 100% broke the rules, but until we get caught, it won't change.

Racing is all about pushing and even breaking the rules where ever possible interpretation of the rules by each individual teams is what makes the sport go round, and finding the next clever thing is the trick. If you can hide it, seal it, beat it, or get away with it in racing..... do it. If you get caught, deny deny deny and say you thought it was right according to the rules.

And until RB either get caught, disclose or otherwise get found out how their wing works, use it and abuse it. It beats the tests but still, is obviously stumping everyone else.

In the meantime, theorizing how and what they do to make it work, and seeing these rather dramatic failures is what drives this thread. The genius behind these bits are what keeps me coming back, and I love to sit here and lurk and read....

[Tozza Mazza]

With the amount of rake this car is running, the front wing is going to be angled.

The cars front wing only has to be paralell to the ground when the rake is 0 degrees.

This said, they may have designed a wing around the rake they use.

[hardingfv32]

What section of the rules says the endplate must be horizontal?

Brian

[Dragonfly]

What section of the rules says the endplate must be horizontal?

Brian

This in fact is a very good question

My apologies, not meaning anyone personally, but this is the most paranoid thread I've seen. All because a "Lemonade company" is beating the Grands.

[Tozza Mazza]

There is no regulation.

Merely the box which define the front wing area in the regulation is paralell to the reference plane. This will be affected by the rake of the car, and Red Bull may have designed their front wing around the rake of the car, meaning it's more raked than the rest of it (doubtful).

People need to chill.

[hardingfv32]

So then to use an end plate with such rake you would have to trim the rear top of the end plate to fit in the box?

For this test wing, you would only need to lay-up the main element with this rake angle in it. The rest of the parts are from the normal configuration. Correct?

Brian

[FrukostScones]

There is no regulation.

Merely the box which define the front wing area in the regulation is paralell to the reference plane. This will be affected by the rake of the car, and Red Bull may have designed their front wing around the rake of the car, meaning it's more raked than the rest of it (doubtful).

People need to chill.

So that is the answer, as I guess the endplate has the dimension of the "box" allowed it has to be paralell to the reference plane.
So this "broken" RB wing is clearly illegal. If it designed to behave like this under aero load even more illegal and big time cheating.

[hardingfv32]

[quote="FrukostScones"]So that is the answer, as I guess the endplate has the dimension of the "box" allowed it has to be paralell to the reference plane./quote]

No, the endplate has to only reside inside the box. It can be any shape you wants.

It is not legal as tested, but it is not required to be. They did not want to go to the trouble of fabricating a new end plate. They could only be interested in the activities of the lower raked surface.

What evidence of the wing being broken do we have? We do not have time stamped photos showing the before and after views.

Brian

[ginge101]

I`m not sure if this has been posted but ESPN are repoting that the front wing HAD broke today.

[jammer84_03]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/97837

"I went off track and broke the front wing and had to come in, and it took quite a while to get back out and just before lunch we suffered a problem with the gearbox so we have to fix it and get back out after lunch."

[Tozza Mazza]

There is no regulation.

Merely the box which define the front wing area in the regulation is paralell to the reference plane. This will be affected by the rake of the car, and Red Bull may have designed their front wing around the rake of the car, meaning it's more raked than the rest of it (doubtful).

People need to chill.

So that is the answer, as I guess the endplate has the dimension of the "box" allowed it has to be paralell to the reference plane.
So this "broken" RB wing is clearly illegal. If it designed to behave like this under aero load even more illegal and big time cheating.

No it is 100% LEGAL. The rake they run means that the endplate runs at the same angle as the rake, therefore making it paralell to the reference plane.

[i70q7m7ghw]

Only 23 laps and the slowest time of the day... Red Bull are definately having trouble with their last raft of upgrades.

[Tozza Mazza]

Only 23 laps and the slowest time of the day... Red Bull are definately having trouble with their last raft of upgrades.

or their gearbox?