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flynfrog wrote: probably a change to a BMI resin. It would appear more of a reddish gold than a normal epoxy resin if that is the case.
I'm sure Ive seen what looks like BMI resins on the rear body work for at least a few years now. So I don't think that is the new feature...

What is the upper liit of a BMI resin anyway? I remember looking into them for a 250degC application a few years ago, but I guess the exhaust temps are significantly above that.
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I really didn't think it was new just what I would expect them to be using in that area. There are BMIs with TGs over 280C but they are a pain to work with and hard to get if you are not on a govt rated program. They maybe looking into polyamids that should be good over 375C if not 400C

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i tought any holes in floor are forbidden... this team really is pushing their limits and i hate it because when something is illegal it should stay illegal. I hate this team

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it isnt a hole, the gaps are quite clear, other teams have much smaller gaps, a loophole already used since 2010 and on many other parts
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Neno wrote:i tought any holes in floor are forbidden... this team really is pushing their limits and i hate it because when something is illegal it should stay illegal. I hate this team
It's a common loophole utilised by pretty much every team around - when designed that way, that's not a hole, that's just the perimeter of the floor.
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Red Bull kicks off new trend: coated floors - Development blog

Red Bull Racing have likely kicked off a new trend in Formula One, as the team appeared with obvious coating on the car's floor, downstream of the exhausts. With the RB9 having one of the most effective designs to pull the exhaust gases down to the car's floor to seal the diffuser, its carbon fibre floor is also very much exposed to the heat of the burning hot exhaust gases flowing over the floor. Such single sided heat exposure is a risk for the carbon fibre laminate which may end up slightly bent, creating an unwanted effect on the car's aerodynamics. The severity of this very much depends on the exact thermal conductivity of the carbon fibres and the temperature resistance of the resin between the sheets.

Although the team have obviously not revealed which coating exactly is being used, one of the most popular suppliers of protective coatings in Formula One is Zircotec. Apart from coatings to protect against heat, the company has coatings that provide protection against wear; coatings that offer electrical insulation; and coatings (non-metallic) that offer electrical conduction, e.g. for earthing and for shielding sensitive instruments against stray interference signals.

In Red Bull's case it is quite obvious that its coating is targeted at protecting the carbon fibre floor against heat, seeing the area where it is applied. It is clear to see where, as the typical carbon fibre structure is hidden by the uniform colour of the coating.

Coatings like Zircotec's Performance range (known to be used in F1) are obvious candidates for this. They can be applied to a range of thicknesses from very thin (say 0.05mm thick) up to say 0.5mm thickness depending upon the required level of protection. Teams are also often requesting the coatings to be coloured to help disguise where they are used and which ones exactly are used.

Similar coatings can be found on various carbon composite components to protect them from fire/heat damage. These include brake components; various engine and exhaust heat shields; and engine parts. Additionally, as there are coating for metal parts as well, such as those currently used on exhausts, it could well be that the use of these coatings will expand even further due to the high number of new hot components that will be introduced around the engine as of 2014.

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does anybody know when the profile under the beamwing has appeared? In Germany or earlier?

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mentioned in this article:
http://f1news.autoroad.cz/technika/4497 ... itezstvim/

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Hi to everyone! I'm Mario Puca of http://www.blogf1.it/ (@emmepi27 on twitter) and it's very pleasure can write here! Nice to meet you! :)
So, i can confirm you that this beam wing with secondary profile has run on the RB in Silverstone for the first time and next in Germany Image;)

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Apologies if it has been posted before, but I couldn't find it - the latest RB9 updates by F1.com, narrated: http://www.formula1.com/news/technical/2013/0/1087.html

UPDATE:
Close shot of the gurney flap around the trailing edge of the rear wing + the DRS actuator:
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Image credit: Will Tyson, @theWPTformula

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Young Drivers Test 2013 Day 1 (Silverstone) - 17.07.2013

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"...and there, very much in flames, is Jacques Laffite's Ligier. That's obviously a turbo blaze, and of course, Laffite will be able to see that conflagration in his mirrors... he is coolly parking the car somewhere safe." Murray Walker, San Marino 1985

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Exhaust temperature sensors. Seems RBR is going to sqeeze out exhaust diffusor sealing to a maximum in 2013.
Looks like they compare temperatures between coated (as seen in Silverstone) and uncoated exhaust.

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Young Drivers Test 2013 Day 1 (Silverstone) - 17.07.2013

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Young Drivers Test 2013 Day 1 (Silverstone) - 17.07.2013

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"...and there, very much in flames, is Jacques Laffite's Ligier. That's obviously a turbo blaze, and of course, Laffite will be able to see that conflagration in his mirrors... he is coolly parking the car somewhere safe." Murray Walker, San Marino 1985

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Tiny rear wing on the car again. On a high DF circuit at that.
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gandharva wrote:Exhaust temperature sensors. Seems RBR is going to sqeeze out exhaust diffusor sealing to a maximum in 2013.
Looks like they compare temperatures between coated (as seen in Silverstone) and uncoated exhaust.
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Here RB are using a high temperature pitot for exhaust gas velocity rather than a Kiel probe for exhaust gas pressure.