Mercedes AMG F1 W03 (pre-launch speculation)

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Newey went as far as stating Mclaren got a better handle on matching their car design to the requirements of the pirelli tyre and attributed (in RE a few months ago)the advantage of RB7 to abetter general design going as far as suggesting they would have had a bigger performance advantage if Bridgestone tyres were still in use.
Mind you Mclaren were the team testing the old car longer than anyone else which was giving them more design time and later feadlines but they paid a price when they had to accept that a key performance system was flawed and proved unreliable.
I certainly believe you can move deadlines IF you are sticking to your concept and just optimise and adapt in those areas that are required by new rules ,or a new supplier...and if you know your base is competitive..In Mercedes case all this is just not possible,they tried a lot of different directions and finished the season
with an uncompetitive car .As the season unfolded W03 came out as the second best mercedespowered product and considering the teams recources it is more than likely that w03 had even less ultimate potential than Force Indias design as the gap came down to zero ..and who would realistically value Sutil/diResta higher than rosberg/Schumacher not to speak of the sheer workforce and recources available to a works outfit.
So they need to make another BIG step and that creates the need to be ready early to have the opportunity to iron out flaws .

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Mirroring what Brawn just stated:

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/96590
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dren wrote:Mirroring what Brawn just stated:

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/96590
Thank God! No more upgrade package for the first race thing anymore. Learning is always a bliss, but sometimes it's just too late. I hope this year we some more improvement with a better car.
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They will likely have a nice upgrade package at the last test like the rest of the teams do, but will not put out such a basic car at the start.
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"Being second is to be the first of the ones who lose!" - Ayrton Senna

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Mercedes are delaying the launch of the w03 to the second test of the new season.
More could have been done.
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-.-'

elf341
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So, does that mean they will turn up @ the 1st test with a modified W02? or they won't bother to show up at all?

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elf341 wrote:So, does that mean they will turn up @ the 1st test with a modified W02? or they won't bother to show up at all?

Word is most teams will turn up with 2011 cars specced to to 2012 regs to test tyres and exhaust configurations.
More could have been done.
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JohnsonsEvilTwin wrote:
elf341 wrote:So, does that mean they will turn up @ the 1st test with a modified W02? or they won't bother to show up at all?

Word is most teams will turn up with 2011 cars specced to to 2012 regs to test tyres and exhaust configurations.

It makes sense to baseline the tires with the new exhuast regs with a platform each team has knowledge regarding. In Mercedes' case it's W02. By doing this, they aren't shooting in the dark with a new car so much as they are knowing how the new tires react on a chassis they already know something about. W03 will be a bit easier to setup with these baselines in place.

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Hopefully the team can hit the ground running. It will be interesting if most of the top teams go that route. We'll see how much the EBD gave to the old cars.
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I don't really see how anyone can interpret this as any less than "our current design was not good enough to sign off, we're in trouble for next year unless we pull a rabbit out"

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The RB6 was unveiled at the second test. Didn't too badly as I recall.

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Same for Mclaren's car this year. And it had issues all through testing after it was released. It won 6 races.

With a known base to test the new tires on, the teams will understand them better. It also gives the aero team that much longer to finalize the aero package. I expect a pretty developed looking car at the second test. Then an update package at the final test.
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dren wrote:Hopefully the team can hit the ground running. It will be interesting if most of the top teams go that route. We'll see how much the EBD gave to the old cars.


I would venture a guess that RB7 made 40-50 points from their EBD as the design of the entire car was based on that things. Mclaren probably didn't get near that much but that's still better than what Ferrari and MB saw from that technology.