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Forza wrote:An interesting point of development would be to use the air that cools radiators, Kers, electronics etc. The air temperature is higher because it goes through hot surfaces so this could be a way to increase the air flow at the rear end structures. Hot air could be used more agressive to heat up bodywork as well as to speed up air flow. Teams are already doing that but with an exhaust blowing ban this area could have some new interesting solutions.
Yes the temperature of the air from the radiators are higher but its not sufficient enough to energise the air flow or to be used to blow any aero compartment even so it will be inefficient and it will create more vortices thus inducing more drag to the car
Yes but if you just use the pasive radiation? That will not disturb any flow around radiation point. No expecially that efect will just correct the flow on the right place or even reduce the drag and downforce...
"And if you no longer go for a gap that exists, you're no longer a racing driver..." Ayrton Senna
So, everybody will be working to try and recover that lost downforce, and whoever comes up with the best solutions will probably be the winners next year.
That are words of genious Adrian Newey.. And the sam i think the diffuozor area is crutial for next season. And if anybody acelerate the air uder floor will be the champion! And for now its look like that Ferrari have something!
"And if you no longer go for a gap that exists, you're no longer a racing driver..." Ayrton Senna
Ferrari has employed Marcin Budkwoski: ex McLaren.
I hope this changes will improve the performances of the next car. I don't look forward to see it!!!
"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity, but about the universe I still have some doubts." Albert Einstein
italian wrote:Ferrari has employed Marcin Budkwoski: ex McLaren.
I hope this changes will improve the performances of the next car. I don't look forward to see it!!!
Yes, and he worked for Ferrari in the past, before McLaren. Hopefully he can help add input for the 2012 car.
Marcin Budkwoski the latest addition to Ferrari?
Pat Fry continues to fish technicians at McLaren: Polish aero is a return to Maranello
December 29, 2011 17:09
It's a ... Horse back. Budkwoski Marcin, 34, Polish-born and French by adoption, graduated from Ecole Polytechnique in Paris and Imperial College London specializing in the aviation department, back to Ferrari.
In the first experience in Maranello Prost had come from, when the team principal Jean Todt, had called in a team of technicians wave of confidence that came from France. From 2002 to 2004 Marcin had been in the CFD department and then became head of the aerodynamic design where he remained in office until the end of 2007.
Budkowski then arrived at McLaren in Woking has earned the trust of the head of aerodynamics, John Iley, former Ferrari driver, who was appointed earlier this year at the head of the aerodynamic design of the MP4-26.
The coach of Warsaw, which is a popular multilingual (he speaks very well Italian, in addition to English, French and Polish), was part of the wish list when Pat Fry Paddy Lowe, McLaren dt, criticized his work on the development silver car.
Marcin, in fact, he felt put on the bench because it accuses Hamilton and Button failed to keep pace with the Red Bull of Sebastian Vettel RB7. The aerodynamic packages brought in the summer had not given the results on the track that were seen in the wind tunnel, so Budkowski decided to put on leave for a few months, awaiting the arrival of the call of the technical director of the Horse, more than ever decided to set up the McFerrari!
The colony of the engineers in Maranello last year came from McLaren begins to be very, too, nourished: the last of the list was Chris Heal, an expert in structures, which was added to Lawrence Hodge and Rupad Darek, experts in aerodynamics.
Previously, it had already settled down to the greek Horse Ioannis Veloudis addition to James Dove, head of aerodynamic simulations, an Italian who has returned to Emilia after the experience at the Technocentre.
The feeling is that there is an "encirclement" of Nikolas Tombazis, currently the head designer of the 663, and also the head of the aerodynamics department. The feeling is that one is being born ... team in the team.
At Christmas dinner with the president Luca di Montezemolo, we specifically asked if Ferrari must necessarily make its acquisition campaign in Woking. Answer was incisive: "To win today is good aerodynamics and we in Italy do not have the school in this field. We are forced to look for skills in England. "
In this 2011 Pat Fry has changed the working methods with the collaboration of Neil Martin, strategist specialist procedures, which is joined Ferrari on Red Bull Racing: he is a man who has, inevitably, roots at McLaren.
The bespectacled Englishman gave his stamp on the racing department, now has to churn out a competitive car with which Fernando Alonso hopes to counter the pitch at the Red Bull Racing's Sebastian Vettel.
Stefano Domenicali speaks of an extreme car with innovative solutions to be able to win right away. The countdown has begun ...
Crucial_Xtreme wrote:Here is a short video of the Ferrari simulator that Fernando & Felipe have been using to help develop the F2012. Word from Fry & Byrne is that they believe next years car will be amongst the top cars. Hopefully so.
Polish to your language of choice is the translation needed.
Nice article!
Jep sadly nowadays with lack of free test days are the teams forced to invset a lot of meney in sutch unreliable simulators... And the most funny part is that, FIA thinks if they cut away the normal free testing will F1 teams expend less? NOT
But i think if you have very bad programed simulator, you could go in wrong direction on the developmend of the car...
Remember the last year where Ferrari have calibration problems with CFD simulation! And result of that was slower car...
I hope that ferrari examine very carfully the coleration beween simulator and reality! And maybe will be smart to make plan B, just for one case if thiks gone wrong1
It's hard to get the simulator wrong when compared to a simulator of a competing team, as you are only basing the physics on real life physical laws and experimentally obtained coefficients. The siumulator itself is a "receptacle" of information and a hard program like a videogame.. But the WINDTUNNEL and CFD simulations.. those are where things can go horribly wrong.. as those two are the sources of data that you put into the simulator for the new car... So, I highly doubt the Ferrari simulator needs a revamp.
Thanks, GTO. Good to see Ferrari trying to do what it thinks is necessary to win. Interesting that Italy seems to be weak in aerodynamics training (as I read the article). That is a very large shortcoming for F1 in particular and industry in general.
Enzo Ferrari was a great man. But he was not a good man. -- Phil Hill
Pat Fry this tab to former McLaren teammate for the areas of aerodynamics and simulation
Raymond 12/29/2011 2:15 Blancafort
Future plans are taking shape Ferrari with the arrival of the recent signings of Maranello, a number of engineers to lend their collaboration in the new models of the Scuderia.
The departure of Jean Todt and Ross Brawn, Michael Schumacher when temporarily hung up his helmet at the end of 2006, led to a 'Italianization' of the Scuderia, with Stefano Domenicali in front of it and Aldo Costa in the role of technical manager.
Now, under the baton of Pat Fry, signed in late 2010, the reverse movement occurs. Most newcomers do with the endorsement of having studied at the famous Imperial College and many of them come directly from McLaren, ie Pat Fry are known because they have worked with him.
The equipment lends itself well to a new 'settlement' in Britain. Roger Estrada, Spanish engineer working in Britain, once said that "Ferrari is isolated. Here all the equipment and engineering firms are close together, agree on the pubs and the information flows. They are alone in Italy, 2,000 kilometers ".
Giorgio Ascanelli, technical director of Toro Rosso in Italy rang for a possible return to Maranello, agrees. "The regulations are written in English, it is all in English, so always go ahead".
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These movements are not surprising. Ferrari's weak point has been in recent years aerodynamics. Luca Montezemolo was who opened the way when not long ago in Italy regretted that "we have a long tradition of mechanical engineering but we have no tradition in aerodynamics."
Ferrari is now operating a wind tunnel and secure. It has its own simulator and the next step is to put the best men in the market. A few months ago it was announced to Nial Martin, RedBull tactician who previously worked at McLaren.
A few months ago also came Giacomo Tortora, that McLaren was in charge of aerodynamics and simulation studies are now incorporated Rupad Darek also an expert in aerodynamics, and Lawrence Hodges, another former McLaren aerodynamics expert 'practice', is on track.
And speaking of circles Bdukoski Martin, project director of McLaren this year and that it should take car of 2013, for this will be a return as he had been in Maranello, as well as an expert in structures and a designer CAD is computer aided design.
This to see if all these reinforcements will be felt in 2012 or 2013 will have to wait, because to date most of the next year's car is already done.
What is striking is the 'bleeding' at McLaren. Some of its engineers have decided to leave not only Ferrari but even small teams, like Toro Rosso or Caterham.
Ferrari is obviously hiring many English Aerodynamic Engineers as possible to help the team regain form. Being there is no Aero Colleges in Italy & the FIA rules are written in English, it makes sense.
Many of the new hires will have basically nothing to do with the 2012 car at the start as it's already finished, they will be able to help the F2012 with future updates and help significantly with updates after the testing session in Mugello. Things are being put in place to try and ensure success for not only 2012, but 2013 & 2014 as well. TIFOSI!!
@crucial extreme: it is not true that there are no aero colleges in italy.
When LCDM says "we have no aero school in Italy" he is just diverting the attention from the fact that for a long time ferrari has not focussed on development of internal aero careers. Still there are a lot of italian aero engineers at ferrari
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shelly wrote:@crucial extreme: it is not true that there are no aero colleges in italy.
When LCDM says "we have no aero school in nitlay" he is just diverting the attention form the fact that for a long time ferrari has not focussed on development of internal aero careers. Still there are a lot of italian aero engineers at ferrari
I would assume you are correct, given that there are a few Italian aircraft manufacturers (IIRC).
Enzo Ferrari was a great man. But he was not a good man. -- Phil Hill
shelly wrote:@crucial extreme: it is not true that there are no aero colleges in italy.
When LCDM says "we have no aero school in nitlay" he is just diverting the attention form the fact that for a long time ferrari has not focussed on development of internal aero careers. Still there are a lot of italian aero engineers at ferrari
You are correct & I honestly should've researched before I just followed his lead & repeated that nonsense. I will say that none of the schools in Italy compare to Imperial, but you are absolutely right that Ferrari have not focused on aero development the way other teams have and they are paying the price for it. Shame on Luca for lying. Thanks for the correction.
Back to the 2012 car, I'm hoping that some of these new employee's from MaCa can have some sort of impact on the 2012 car even if it's after the summer break. I hope we don't have to wait until 2013 to see the fruits of the new staff's labor.
"To win today is good aerodynamics and we in Italy do not have the school in this field.
Giovanni Banzola is currently an Engineer for McLaren. He matriculated at The University of Bologna, the oldest College in Europe and one of the great higher education institutions in the world. This University has a substantial Aero Engineering dept. You can check its curriculum by searching University of Bologna Aerodynamics.
Here is a good place to start. Although this is an intro class, if you go to page nine of the pdf below, you will see this class has dedicated some portion of time specifically to:
The role of CFD in the aerodynamic design of a Formula 1 car.
Page 23 is entitled; Aerodynamics crucial for race cars
So, I highly doubt the Ferrari simulator needs a revamp.
