HRT F112 Cosworth

[beelsebob]

Maybe u guys dont know Marussia said they will be in the second test at Barcelona and one or two days ago they said that they will be in the last season of test, so who has a crappy organitation?

We'll get back to that when HRT do the same as last year again – "we'll be at the first test, no wait, the second, no wait, the third, no wait, the first race, no wait, lucky that was cancelled", only this year it'll end with "oh crap, we've been kicked out of F1 for not having a car at the first race.

Of course Wrsley123 Hrt is and will be the worse team in F1 but the problem is they never been the last one in two years. So if for u Hrt has a crappy organitation think what tipe of organitation had Virgin.

Effectively, HRT has been the last team in F1, along side Virgin. Neither has had a single finish that didn't involve being many laps behind everyone else, nor has either had a qualifying that didn't involve being very close to 107%, or even behind it.

However...
• Virgin^WMarusia have turned up to tests, HRT have not.
• Virgin^WMarusia have never had a car fall apart during a race; HRT's has split in half at Monaco, and had it's wings disintegrate across the track at a variety of places.
• Virgin^WMarusia have been ready with a car at every single race of the season, and not relied on cancellations to scrape by.
• Virgin^WMarusia have never been doing their shake downs during Q1.

Sorry, but HRT is by far less organised than Marusia, and frankly, I don't believe they'll show up for the first race this year either.

[TzeiTzei]

I think it's pretty pointless to argue which one is the crappier team. Both of them have various problems, and both of them have gone through major changes inside their organisations. IMO it's pretty much year one for these teams all over again.

Marussia have apparently spent a lot of time to make sure that the data from the wind tunnel matches the data collected from straight line tests. And that work has been done with the 2011 car. I'm not quite sure why their new car is so late, but the only reason i can think of is what Symonds said about there being very little carry over from last year's car. Last year the problem was aero, and i guess they have put a lot of effort to try and get it right this time. It won't be a radical car, but they want to make sure it works as expected, and serves as a platform from which to develop it further.

The way i see it is that they are actually looking into 2013 and 2014, and this year they just want to get the basics right. No KERS, no radical designs, just a well designed conventional car. Some might see this as a lack of ambition, but i see this as being a realistic approach.

As for HRT, i haven't really followed them that much. But from what i've read i see them making a fresh start on a more solid ground than earlier. They are in a hurry too, but i'm quite eager to see what kind of a car they have managed to design. From what i've understood is that they have ditched the Dallara? Good(?) for them, plus they have the KERS so we could well see a tight battle at the back of the grid, and hopefully much closer to the midfield than last year.

[hrt]

I do NOT understand why the people here do not want to get the difference between Hispania racing team (2010-2011) and the absolutely new team HRTF1Team (2012-...),Hispania the worse team ever, HRT...are on the right path now, so if someone want to talk about Hispania is not here if someone want to talk about Hrt you are in the right place.

[beelsebob]

I do NOT understand why the people here do not want to get the difference between Hispania racing team (2010-2011) and the absolutely new team HRTF1Team (2012-...),Hispania the worse team ever, HRT...are on the right path now, so if someone want to talk about Hispania is not here if someone want to talk about Hrt you are in the right place.

What evidence do you see for HRT being on the right path now? We've not seen them produce anything yet, so we have nothing to judge them on.

The closest we have to being able to judge them is that at first they announced they'd be at the first test with the new car, and then announced they wouldn't be. More so, there are rumors circulating that they asked the FIA to run the '11 car for the first few races, which implies to me that once again, they're seriously struggling to actually produce a working car.

[Trocola]

I do NOT understand why the people here do not want to get the difference between Hispania racing team (2010-2011) and the absolutely new team HRTF1Team (2012-...),Hispania the worse team ever, HRT...are on the right path now, so if someone want to talk about Hispania is not here if someone want to talk about Hrt you are in the right place.

I think it is just the label people gave to hrt. Every team has its own:

-HRT is the crap team
-Mercedes will be the revolutionary team. Then, their car is simpler than a sheet of paper, and then it is said that the next upgrade will be revolutionary, which is not.
-All Gascoyne cars are going to be on the midfield... but then they are on the back (Spyker, Lotus, Force India, Toyota, Renault...)
-Mclaren will win next year's World Championship

and so on....


Trocola

[hrt]

What evidence do you see for HRT being on the right path now? We've not seen them produce anything yet, so we have nothing to judge them on.

The closest we have to being able to judge them is that at first they announced they'd be at the first test with the new car, and then announced they wouldn't be. More so, there are rumors circulating that they asked the FIA to run the '11 car for the first few races, which implies to me that once again, they're seriously struggling to actually produce a working car.

1. First driver was confirmed in November.
2. New employeers.
3. from 0 to 18000 followers on facebook.
4. A new official suplier.
5. A new sustainable mobility agent.
6. They never said "We will be in the first test"
7. New Base.
8. New car. (chassis made by Hrt not Dallara)

Namely a new team. (These happened in 5 months)

[beelsebob]

What evidence do you see for HRT being on the right path now? We've not seen them produce anything yet, so we have nothing to judge them on.

The closest we have to being able to judge them is that at first they announced they'd be at the first test with the new car, and then announced they wouldn't be. More so, there are rumors circulating that they asked the FIA to run the '11 car for the first few races, which implies to me that once again, they're seriously struggling to actually produce a working car.

1. First driver was confirmed in November.

So? They've been through many "confirmed" drivers, them "confirming" them seems to mean nothing very much.

2. New employeers.

Just a sign of churn.

3. from 0 to 18000 followers on facebook.

Yep, the quality of an F1 team is measured in facebook follower count.

4. A new official suplier.

They have many suppliers, as do other F1 teams? What does another supplier signing up for them mean about their performance?

5. A new sustainable mobility agent.

Pardon?

6. They never said "We will be in the first test"

Except in a December 13th press release - they said they'd be there with the 2012 car no less!

7. New Base.

So? All that indicates is that they're probably still not very settled there or doing good work.

8. New car. (chassis made by Hrt not Dallara)

Really? Where is it then, why have they not announced when they'll show us it? Why were they (rumoredly) asking to race the 2011 car for a while.

Namely a new team. (These happened in 5 months)

A new team is not the same as a good team.

[hrt]

Hahahaha ok beelsebob give time to them, did u hear before Rome was not built in 1 month?

I do not really care if you believe in Hrt, if you want to see the truth of a new team, but you are accusing a team that started in August from 0.

[raymondu999]

From 0? You mean they laid off all their staff, broke contract with their suppliers, and threw away all their IP?

[ESPImperium]

The base in Valencia is increasingly looking more tempoary than permanent.

The latest rumors is that they are looking at building something within or arround, or have been promised something within or arround the Madrid Tennis Centre (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caja_M%C3%A1gica) where the Mutua Madrid Open is staged every year.

There isnt enough space there from what i can remember on TV pics, i watch enolugh tennis with my family having played it to a high level once in their lives.

However there is some land adjacent to the tennis centre that could be developed, and if the Local Government (new mayor elected in Dec 2011) there want them, and are prepaired to finance the team the same way they do another Madrid Sports Team, i suppose there could be enough money to build a new technichal base.

Hispania need to come out soon and spell out their plans in a concrete fashion, as there is too mush rumor and speculation about what and who they are.

[hrt]

From 0? You mean they laid off all their staff, broke contract with their suppliers, and threw away all their IP?

And what is that star from 10?

[raymondu999]

From 0? You mean they laid off all their staff, broke contract with their suppliers, and threw away all their IP?

And what is that star from 10?

I don't know what it is; but it's definitely not from 0

[hrt]

From 0? You mean they laid off all their staff, broke contract with their suppliers, and threw away all their IP?

And what is that star from 10?

I don't know what it is; but it's definitely not from 0

So when a company sold all of the shares and the buyer changes everything employers, Base, CEO... is not star from 0. Interesting.

[Lurk]

Guys, at least you could let some chances to HRT...
They were/are in trouble but, firstly Minardi came one time in the first race with only one complete car while the second was assembled in the australian paddock.
Secondly, Arrows which scored point in each season since 1992 until the end and which did not seemed that bad in 2000-2001, did not finished the 2002 season...
We can never know.

Maybe they will be lucky enough to grow up and fight for podiums in 10 years

[raymondu999]

So when a company sold all of the shares and the buyer changes everything employers, Base, CEO... is not star from 0. Interesting.

Of course not. Starting from 0 means you have absolutely nothing. No money; no previous designs; no employees... Brawn GP didn't start from 0 in 2009; and Mercedes GP didn't start from 0 in 2010.

A management change and ownership change at the same time is a very big change. Yes. But it is NOT starting from 0