2012 Indian Grand Prix - Buddh

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Monza is not the same without those V10 engines... I really can't enjoy monza much these days. Most of the passes are in the pits.
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zztopless wrote:..then having the first detection point before turn 15 should give cars that are good through the medium and high speed corners (and perhaps lacking in top speed) the chance to overtake into turn 16, then use their DRS to pull away on the pit straight.
But the straight between 15 and 16 is nt long enough to line up for a pass on an equally matched car (mid-field).
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ds.raikkonen wrote:
zztopless wrote:..then having the first detection point before turn 15 should give cars that are good through the medium and high speed corners (and perhaps lacking in top speed) the chance to overtake into turn 16, then use their DRS to pull away on the pit straight.
But the straight between 15 and 16 is nt long enough to line up for a pass on an equally matched car (mid-field).
It is if the car has already gotten close through the high speed stuff before it. Webber was getting close here last year, but it was terrible off-line. Hopefully the reduces dust makes this a possibility.

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zztopless wrote:It is if the car has already gotten close through the high speed stuff before it. Webber was getting close here last year, but it was terrible off-line. Hopefully the reduces dust makes this a possibility.
But won't going through T15 with the DRS deployed be a hairy experience?! It ll become a slower Tamburello, with lesser down force!
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You brake for T15, so you're grip limited and not power limited. As such, reducing your rear downforce (by opening DRS) will just make you slower through there
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It's insane, last year in qualifying, in just the last two turns Vettel pulled nearly .4 on Alonso where before that they were practically neck and neck. The mid speed cornering is the bread and butter of an F1 car, that is turns taken in the 110kph to 180kph range, it seems at this speed Red Bull is the best
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godlameroso wrote:It's insane, last year in qualifying, in just the last two turns Vettel pulled nearly .4 on Alonso where before that they were practically neck and neck.
How do you figure? I've never seen a side by side comparison of the two anywhere.
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From what I'm reading now I will make the following predictions:

Qualifying:
1. Vettel
2. Webber
3. Hamilton
4. Alonso

Race:
1. Vettel
2. Alonso
3. Hamilton
4. Webber

I'm not convinced that Ferrari will be bringing the better updates to India. They surely have the higher potential but so far Red Bull has always been one or two steps ahead of them in the development race since the summer break. Ferrari should still be better in terms of race pace than pure qualifying pace.
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Why do I support Kimi - seems like he doesn't give a s**t, but he is 3rd in the championship after 2 years away from the sport. He is 100% driving, no bullcrap.
At the Thursday press conference:
Q: Kimi, your first time in India. What are your thoughts, your impressions?
Kimi Raikkonen: Well, I came last night at one o’clock, so I’ve only seen the motorway and the hotel. The hotel, outside it, looks nice. I have no complaints so far. The circuit - I haven’t gone around it. That is tomorrow. I’ll tell you about it.
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raymondu999 wrote:
godlameroso wrote:It's insane, last year in qualifying, in just the last two turns Vettel pulled nearly .4 on Alonso where before that they were practically neck and neck.
How do you figure? I've never seen a side by side comparison of the two anywhere.
1 1 Sebastian Vettel Q1 1:26.218 Q2 1:24.657 Q3 1:24.178 16
4 5 Fernando Alonso Q1 1:26.774 Q2 1:25.158 Q3 1:24.519 19

a difference of .341

Their best sector times:
Vettel Alonso Gap to Alonso Total gap
S1 41.277 41.097 +.130 .341 in Vettel's favor
S2 22.226 22.371 -.145
S3 20.675 20.944 -.269

I posted this a few pages ago, you can compare Alonso and Vettel's laps, they're the lower and upper left respectively
godlameroso wrote:Actually there are far more fast corners here than in Korea, aside from the three hairpins only two turns are taken at less than 180kph, both in the third sector, and exactly where Red Bull was crushing everyone. It might be that Vettel was taking a lot of curbing on the third sector, which will certainly be mitigated this year. The level of downforce is similar to what you would run in Malaysia actually, possibly a bit more.

Here's a lap comparison

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IppFPksBVM0[/youtube]

It seems that under 160kph the RB is producing the most downforce, but over 160kph they seem to be equal to Ferrari, and slightly less than Mclaren, but McLaren chews it's tires up worse than Ferrari or Red Bull. If the qualifying pace is similar then the Ferrari can usually overtake in the race, but Red Bull seems to have over half second gaps during quali and that can't be attributed to the driver, but rather a faster package.
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godlameroso wrote:
raymondu999 wrote:
godlameroso wrote:It's insane, last year in qualifying, in just the last two turns Vettel pulled nearly .4 on Alonso where before that they were practically neck and neck.
How do you figure? I've never seen a side by side comparison of the two anywhere.
1 1 Sebastian Vettel Q1 1:26.218 Q2 1:24.657 Q3 1:24.178 16
4 5 Fernando Alonso Q1 1:26.774 Q2 1:25.158 Q3 1:24.519 19
Going by the video you posted, it looks to me like Vettel was carrying a lot more speed through the last 4 corners rather than the last 2. You can see he enters the lefthander after the long right a lot quicker.
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raymondu999 wrote:
godlameroso wrote:
raymondu999 wrote:How do you figure? I've never seen a side by side comparison of the two anywhere.
1 1 Sebastian Vettel Q1 1:26.218 Q2 1:24.657 Q3 1:24.178 16
4 5 Fernando Alonso Q1 1:26.774 Q2 1:25.158 Q3 1:24.519 19
Going by the video you posted, it looks to me like Vettel was carrying a lot more speed through the last 4 corners rather than the last 2. You can see he enters the lefthander after the long right a lot quicker.
The video is pretty clearly out of sync – Hamilton is very clearly well ahead if you follow the video, despite the times revealing he's behind.

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Touche, I was wrong, it's true Vettel does take that left hander much faster than Alonso, you can see on the exit he gets on the astroturf far more than Alonso.
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beelsebob wrote:The video is pretty clearly out of sync – Hamilton is very clearly well ahead if you follow the video, despite the times revealing he's behind.
Yes the two videos on the right are of a race lap and a lap of free practice, the ones on the left between Alonso and Vettel are synced however.
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