Closed Cockpits agreed for 2017

[Shrieker]

@ringo,

How about an airbag just ahead of the driver that inflates upwards ? It would definitely help deflect objects, not too useful for anything else tho.

[therealjustin]

The fully closed jet fighter cockpit is the best option I think. The halo concept is awkward to say the least and it certainly doesn't offer 100% protection for the driver.

Excuse the quick Photoshop but I think something like this could work well. They could bring back refueling to offset the added weight

[void]

The fully closed jet fighter cockpit is the best option I think. The halo concept is awkward to say the least and it certainly doesn't offer 100% protection for the driver.

Excuse the quick Photoshop but I think something like this could work well. They could bring back refueling to offset the added weight

http://i.imgur.com/VHaS5sM.jpg

This is a F1 car that I wanna see racing, not a car with a halo. I don't wanna see a helmet bouncing behind a halo.
I loved 90's when you could see the drivers eyes, like in this image.

[F1NAC]

Someone just did created in game f1 with halo device. I know this is just a game but with this pillar in front it will be quite tricky to get around monaco where you need to be very precise.
https://twitter.com/Gianludale27/status ... 1786643456

[The_table]

The halo does not seem to obstruct visibility for the apexes of the corners but it does obstruct forward visibility rather heavily,i don't think you would be able to see a crash directly in front of you, mainly at circuits with a lot of elevation change.

I would massively prefer a canopy solution over the halo, it looks miles better and more modern, where the halo just looks clunky.

[SiLo]

Wonder how far you can see up Eau Rouge

[noel]

The halo does not seem to obstruct visibility for the apexes of the corners but it does obstruct forward visibility rather heavily,i don't think you would be able to see a crash directly in front of you, mainly at circuits with a lot of elevation change.

I would massively prefer a canopy solution over the halo, it looks miles better and more modern, where the halo just looks clunky.

Sure, they won't see the crash, but once involved their heads will be protected. Well, from a tyre at least.
Also, as mentioned before, Austin turn 1, Eau Rouge and basically the whole circuit in Monaco would be positively invisible.

Bloody stupid thing, this. Jules, Maria, Ayrton, Roland all would've died, Halo or not. It probably would've saved Surtees, I'm not sure about Wilson. That nose cone bounced in a very weird angle, right on top of his helmet.

You have to consider debris as well. If this thing hits something like a wing, it'll shatter it creating multiple projectiles of all sizes, flying every which way. Those race suits are not bulletproof...

Canopies get dirty, and escape from a car that just went arse up would be horrifying.

Frankly, at this point I prefer Lewis's solution.

[Just_a_fan]

Someone just did created in game f1 with halo device. I know this is just a game but with this pillar in front it will be quite tricky to get around monaco where you need to be very precise.

https://twitter.com/Gianludale27/status ... 1786643456

That simulation is misleading; in reality you see around the central pillar thanks to your binocular eyesight. The game doesn't do this, it just puts a big blob in the way.

I'm not defending the halo, by the way. I think it's quite the worst solution possible. A full canopy would be a better option if they must do something. My own view is that the cars should be left as they are; the likelihood of an incident that the halo can help in is very small when one considers how many miles single seaters of all types do around the world in a year.

[Edax]

I think a closed cockpit might work. Technically it is proven in terms of protection and driver extraction. F1 Powerboats have introduced them after a similar discussion and for me they certainly do not look odd or artificial.



And I think not many people are regretting the fact that they arent driving around like this anymore.



I think the trick is not to try to plug head protection on the current f1 design as it would mess up the aestetics for sure but try to get the design to work with a cockpit.

It's a pity that I cannot draw, but what I was thinking of:
- Integrate HANS in the canopy.
- Move to a low nose design kind of like the 80's cars.
- Make the cars a bit wider. 8" would give them the same span as the indycars at equal wheelbase.
- Lose the roll hoop. Move the intakes to the side of the cockpit.
- Assign more of the rear to aero. Wider diffusor and rear wing to make up for the loss of airo.

[noel]

I think a closed cockpit might work. Technically it is proven in terms of protection and driver extraction. F1 Powerboats have introduced them after a similar discussion and for me they certainly do not look odd or artificial.

http://pictures.topspeed.com/IMG/crop/2 ... 800x0w.jpg

And I think not many people are regretting the fact that they arent driving around like this anymore.

http://i2.wp.com/svera.se/blogg/wp-cont ... =580%2C277

I think the trick is not to try to plug head protection on the current f1 design as it would mess up the aestetics for sure but try to get the design to work with a cockpit.

It's a pity that I cannot draw, but what I was thinking of:
- Integrate HANS in the canopy.
- Move to a low nose design kind of like the 80's cars.
- Make the cars a bit wider. 8" would give them the same span as the indycars at equal wheelbase.
- Lose the roll hoop. Move the intakes to the side of the cockpit.
- Assign more of the rear to aero. Wider diffusor and rear wing to make up for the loss of airo.

So... Open wheel LMP cars?

[Edax]

So... Open wheel LMP cars?

Please not. Those big cockpits would look hideous on open wheel. .

I'm thinking more along the lines of this.



Might be sacrilegeous to say but I think a narrow canopy would not look too bad on a layout like this.

[Shrieker]

If something must be done and it would be down to my word, I'd go for this.

[Cannonballer]

SF16-H short ONBOARD with Halo and Seb!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWkuhu1Km18

That is a seemingly ineffective and FUg solution. I simply don't understand what this protects against, has any F1 driver ever been injured by something the halo would stop?

[aral]

SF16-H short ONBOARD with Halo and Seb!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWkuhu1Km18

That is a seemingly ineffective and FUg solution. I simply don't understand what this protects against, has any F1 driver ever been injured by something the halo would stop?

and how have you decided that the halo would be ineffective? and yes, drivers have died or been seriously injured, but could probably have survived with this item. should we now get rid of roll hoops as they are ugly? or how about hans?

[XRayF1]

SF16-H short ONBOARD with Halo and Seb!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWkuhu1Km18

That is a seemingly ineffective and FUg solution. I simply don't understand what this protects against, has any F1 driver ever been injured by something the halo would stop?

and how have you decided that the halo would be ineffective? and yes, drivers have died or been seriously injured, but could probably have survived with this item. should we now get rid of roll hoops as they are ugly? or how about hans?

It is utter nonsense to believe that such device will banish all danger from F1 motorsport. Or any form of motorsport.
Motorsport has always been dangerous, and cannot be, by definition, be made safe.
By anyone's standard.

The issue is that some people think that it will hurt their viewers feelings, people's buying preferences or other things if their products/brands are associated with danger.
Thus F1/FOM makes motorsport 'safe'.

The next time a spear like accident happens, then we will get closed cockpits.
The next after, the closed cockpits will be removed again, because it prevented a driver from successfully exiting a turned over car, and he suffered injuries which may have been avoidable.
And the next time - we all will be watching RC controlled F1 cars ... because it will be 'safest'.

Again - this HALO device may bring some safety to the sport, but it will never remove the danger.
And not to forget, F1 drivers wanted to be drivers well knowing what danger this inherits.

Why not let them decide, and not some bureaucrats?