Silly Season 2020/2021 (starting with silliness in 2019)

[Zarathustra]

personally i would put myself into the second merc

pros:
i would do it for free

cons:
i've only done two kart races

All the travelling will cost you a lot.

[Racer X]

Perez rumoured to be signing a Multi Year deal with Racing Point'.

That's a "make money while you can" move. Good luck to him, but it's an admission that his career is over.

He actually mentioned something that made me think. He seems aware of whats to come which tells me he has realistic goals. While at the same time remaining aware of the possibilities good and bad.

He said himself recently that if in 2021 RP does not deliver him with a car that fights for podiums that he does not see himself remaining in the sport long after.

It seems he does not want to be in F1 just to be in F1. Hes achieved a decent career given the machinery provided by the teams hes been at. The ghost of McLaren and just timing have put him in a sport where hes more then likely not going to a top team.

He can claim one good record tho in this new Turbo era all of the podiums have been achieved by the Top 3 teams. Only one other driver has claimed podiums and its been Sergio with lesser cars.

So not bad but I dont see his career ending in 2021. He seems committed to the project over at Racing Point.

Good luck to them!

[raymondu999]

He's already racing against Leclerc, who is starting to settle in more. I think Vettel would hold his own against Max, although I rate Max higher. The Honda-RBR package looks like it could be the better package next year and it's a race winning car this year. If Ferrari is forced into changing their aero, they'll have a learning curve against Mercedes and RBR in 2020.

Charles has pointed out Seb isn't comfortable with the less-than-planted back end of the Ferrari, and Pierre couldn't drive the Red Bull for that same reason, so returning to Red Bull could only be a disaster for Vettel.

When did Pierre say that? I read an article recently that Pierre said his style was way too aggressive for the red bull, but I have not heard anything of the car being darty on turn in. I do agree that Seb seems to appear at his best with rear downforce though

[izzy]

When did Pierre say that? I read an article recently that Pierre said his style was way too aggressive for the red bull, but I have not heard anything of the car being darty on turn in. I do agree that Seb seems to appear at his best with rear downforce though

Pierre didn't say it, he's only said he was being too aggressive with the throttle, earlier in the season. But then in July he was told to use Max's setups. The car was difficult to drive to start with and then they've improved it, but it only improved for Max and Pierre's attempts to change his style didn't make much of a difference.

I'm not saying it's darty on turn-in specifically I think it's sharp and edgy - the edge is very fast but it's a narrow space. Pierre was good in the Toro Rosso and everyone seems to be expecting him to be alright again in it now. So it looks a bit like Lewis and Valtteri: when the front end isn't biting Valtteri is right there or even ahead, but as it starts to work only Lewis can maximise it.

And now Alex is inheriting this car that Max can drive and Pierre can't. And Max's car control is similar to Lewis', like when they were all going off at damp Copse with DRS last year most of them spun, but Lewis, Max and Kimi just went wide. So I'm slightly anxious for Alex, but hoping he's got it, to make it work. His one wet race is a good sign at least.

[Big Tea]

When did Pierre say that? I read an article recently that Pierre said his style was way too aggressive for the red bull, but I have not heard anything of the car being darty on turn in. I do agree that Seb seems to appear at his best with rear downforce though

Pierre didn't say it, he's only said he was being too aggressive with the throttle, earlier in the season. But then in July he was told to use Max's setups. The car was difficult to drive to start with and then they've improved it, but it only improved for Max and Pierre's attempts to change his style didn't make much of a difference.

I'm not saying it's darty on turn-in specifically I think it's sharp and edgy - the edge is very fast but it's a narrow space. Pierre was good in the Toro Rosso and everyone seems to be expecting him to be alright again in it now. So it looks a bit like Lewis and Valtteri: when the front end isn't biting Valtteri is right there or even ahead, but as it starts to work only Lewis can maximise it.

And now Alex is inheriting this car that Max can drive and Pierre can't. And Max's car control is similar to Lewis', like when they were all going off at damp Copse with DRS last year most of them spun, but Lewis, Max and Kimi just went wide. So I'm slightly anxious for Alex, but hoping he's got it, to make it work. His one wet race is a good sign at least.

One advantage of not having driven a F1 much means he (probably) will not have established a style and should adapt easier.

[izzy]

One advantage of not having driven a F1 much means he (probably) will not have established a style and should adapt easier.

Yes i like this idea it's always seemed strange to me how embedded a driving style can be, when you'd think they could just decide to change it.

[Tzk]

He can claim one good record tho in this new Turbo era all of the podiums have been achieved by the Top 3 teams. Only one other driver has claimed podiums and its been Sergio with lesser cars.

I'm not sure if this was sarcasm of yours...

2014 Bottas, Magnussen, Massa scored podiums
2015 Bottas, Massa and Gosjean scored podiums
2017 Stroll socred a podium
2019 Kvyat scored a podium

This doesn't include Perez or the top3 teams. So he is by far not the only driver to score a podium besides the top 3 teams... Yes, the list is short, but still.

[Morteza]

Hulkenberg posted this on his Instagram stories

[Tzk]

Whatever Hulks intention behind this post was, its getting interesting.

Lets see if this newspaper is right or not. And if its right: where does hulk go next?

[RZS10]

personally i would put myself into the second merc

pros:
i would do it for free

cons:
i've only done two kart races

All the travelling will cost you a lot.

Beating Lance Stroll would be worth it

[ringo]

Whatever Hulks intention behind this post was, its getting interesting.

Lets see if this newspaper is right or not. And if its right: where does hulk go next?

Hmm maybe to Haas. Renault Seem worse than Haas these days.

[raymondu999]

One advantage of not having driven a F1 much means he (probably) will not have established a style and should adapt easier.

Yes i like this idea it's always seemed strange to me how embedded a driving style can be, when you'd think they could just decide to change it.

I don’t think that’s true though; drivers have individual styles even in lower formula. And it becomes instinctive second nature to them in the way they steer, brake, throttle, and process/react to the feedback they get.

It’s like trying to switch which direction you’re folding your arms. It’s so unnatural to fold your arms the other way. I mean, it’s not like you dont “establish” a fold-arm-direction preference unless you’ve gotten into arm wrestling competitions, for example

[ispano6]

There's been talk about a new team for 2021, "Panthera Team Asia F1". Is it a Chinese team with former SMP personnel?
There may be new seats to fill for Hulk and others.
https://www.racefans.net/2019/08/23/new ... d-in-2021/

[izzy]

I don’t think that’s true though; drivers have individual styles even in lower formula. And it becomes instinctive second nature to them in the way they steer, brake, throttle, and process/react to the feedback they get.

It’s like trying to switch which direction you’re folding your arms. It’s so unnatural to fold your arms the other way. I mean, it’s not like you dont “establish” a fold-arm-direction preference unless you’ve gotten into arm wrestling competitions, for example

Yes i know what you mean they have a style already before they get into F1, but then for F1 they must have to change it mustn't they. And if doing it some different way is faster, that's what they'll try to change to, so the less deeply embedded the better. Anyway lol i wasn't too serious just wishing Alex well really, for this massive weekend coming up.

[Big Tea]

I don’t think that’s true though; drivers have individual styles even in lower formula. And it becomes instinctive second nature to them in the way they steer, brake, throttle, and process/react to the feedback they get.

It’s like trying to switch which direction you’re folding your arms. It’s so unnatural to fold your arms the other way. I mean, it’s not like you dont “establish” a fold-arm-direction preference unless you’ve gotten into arm wrestling competitions, for example

Yes i know what you mean they have a style already before they get into F1, but then for F1 they must have to change it mustn't they. And if doing it some different way is faster, that's what they'll try to change to, so the less deeply embedded the better. Anyway lol i wasn't too serious just wishing Alex well really, for this massive weekend coming up.

Its probably more a car(designer) thing than a driver thing. The design team get it matching the figures that give the right numbers on the screen and its down to the driver to get it around in the time they estimate.

If a driver has been driving a car with a different 'seat of the pants' feel, say a planted car, and he gets into a jittery car he will not be comfortable when it gives the same feed back the other one did just when it was going to let go catastrophically, even if he knows this one will be far less abrupt. and the longer he was driving the other car the more it will take for him to 'get it' I can only think to compare it the first time you drive a 4x4 quickly after you have always driven rear wheel drive only.