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Wow they went the McLaren and Ferrari route on the design =D>

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A good detailed image. My perception is that the exhaust system is more expansive into sidepod area ( laterally) before heading back to centre line in feeding the compressor located there.

Unsure if that's true and trying to find a comparative image. It LOOKS less tightly folded in against engine exhaust port location, but that's just from memory and not conclusive.

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With the new season starting, Mercedes finally stepped-up on their Rear Wing game and introduced an all-new spec for this weekend. First time they will use a V-wing shape, inspired by Ferrari's 2022 wing more than McLaren's Brasil 2024 wing it seems

This wing slots a step above Spa/Baku wings and is exactly the spec they needed since 2022 - they've literally never had a dedicated medium-low rear wing spec in this Era. Good sign on their confidence, as they've never chased small gains with dedicated wing size in the last 3 years

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The three arms of the lo­wer rear ­wishbone (2 ­wishbone arms + tie rod) are not on the same "plane". I never see that so obvious. Is that normal? If I think this correct it ­would result in a sort of 4 ­wheel steering?

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There is also the possibility of a weight penalty, as the manifold is markedly lower, but the route to exit then becomes longer. Be interesting to see a more side on shot.
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Quantum wrote:
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There is also the possibility of a weight penalty, as the manifold is markedly lower, but the route to exit then becomes longer. Be interesting to see a more side on shot.
I'd doubt there's much at all in CoG for practical purposes. Those exhaust structures are seriously light in overall weight, and with the remaining architecture of compressor etc retained (effectively encapsulated within ice layout) then a measurable effect on overall vehicle mass is highly unlikely.

I don't think it's commonly appreciated just how low the ICE is placed in these chassis, ostensibly below the rear wheel centre line with drive route from crank centre line first stepping up through gearbox lay & mainshaft centres, then again through the 90 degree turn in axis through the bevel gear onto differential "crownwheel" the whole lot effectively a staircase in arrangement to bring the drive up from crank to wheel.

There's very good image a little back in this thread showing the gearbox in see through construction that illustrated this. Look for the input shaft at lowest point, compare that to the centre of diff output drive flange location.

Edit:- the gearbox in it's clear construction is in this viewtopic.php?t=23688&start=3570#p1272198 thread under MB PU and not further back in here. Apologies.

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I rather like to believe it's for having thinner/slopier/streamline-er sidepods.

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Farnborough wrote:
13 Mar 2025, 09:36
A good detailed image. My perception is that the exhaust system is more expansive into sidepod area ( laterally) before heading back to centre line in feeding the compressor located there.

Unsure if that's true and trying to find a comparative image. It LOOKS less tightly folded in against engine exhaust port location, but that's just from memory and not conclusive.
Now clearly confirmed, with further thoughts on what its doing.

I'd agree that aero influence would be of interest and likely ONE of the design criteria here. They must have flagged this to their "partner" teams quite early in gestation in allowing those also to plan architecture of chassis, components and aero skin around rear of car to maintain equality of PU supply through to those customers. Probably around July 2024 in reasonable planning for this in each team.

Function as exhaust though must be looking to offer gain too. From tightly folded original in this era ... likely to facilitate zero type MB architecture ..... could now be expanded in offering tangible flow benefit to PU combustion engineers. The ICE being frozen, but the exit manifold (I believe ? ) must be free of that restriction, else they couldn't change to this updated design :D will likely involve run maps and flexibility in that function. With that and "reliability" reasons, then it can quite legally provide no ultimate peak gain, but more likely allow operating at highest load mapping (what was called "party" mode) to be deployed for longer period over a lap in qualifying and specifically Q3 deployment. This to run at the peak/elevated output for longer period without compromising reliability.

These PU were noticeably potent in Q toward the end of last season, with this first race now seeing quite a few of this MB unit moving around in the top ten field. They certainly look pacey in use right now.

Appears like a combined aero streamline potential along with realistic operational gain in deployment under absolute demand.

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